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Monday, 03 January 2011 12:00
Below is a copy of a letter sent from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to fans on the league’s data base.
I don’t quite get this letter, particularly at this time. With all the excitement generated by the end-of-season battle for playoff spots and with the playoffs set to start Saturday, it seemed an odd time to put the labor issue in front of the fans.
The letter makes quite clear that the 18-game schedule is at the top of Goodell's list of `must-haves' for the new collective bargainin agreement. -- Bob Smizik
Statement from Roger Goodell:
With one of the most exciting regular seasons now completed and the playoffs about to begin, let me first thank you and all NFL fans for your incredible support. Many fans have been asking me where we stand on signing a new collective bargaining agreement with the player's union. Let me update you and be clear at the outset:
I know we can and will reach an agreement.
My goal as Commissioner now is to help our teams and players find a solution that is fair to everyone and ensures that football becomes more popular, accessible, and fun. We want the next decade to be the best yet for our fans, and I'm ready to work day and night to make that happen.
We've come a long way. Compare where we are today with 10 years ago. From player accountability to player safety, more and better television coverage, upgrading the in-stadium experience, innovations like the RedZone channel, the Draft in prime time and playing the Pro Bowl before the Super Bowl, we are focused on doing what's best for the players, teams, and fans. My priority is and always will be the game and the fans who love our game.
The NFL is great because fans care deeply about it. Economic conditions, however, have changed dramatically inside and outside the NFL since 2006 when we negotiated the last CBA. A 10 percent unemployment rate hurts us all. Fans have limited budgets and rightly want the most for their money. I get it.
Yes, NFL players deserve to be paid well. Unfortunately, economic realities are forcing everyone to make tough choices and the NFL is no different. These are not easy negotiations, but the outcome can be positive. If both sides give a little, everyone, including fans, will get a lot and the game will improve through innovation.
Even in difficult economic times, a new CBA presents us with the opportunity to secure the future of our game. You may ask how will the NFL look under this vision?
A significant change would be to resolve fan complaints about preseason by modifying our 20-game format. Fans tell us they don't like the quality of the preseason games, and we're listening. An enhanced season of 18 regular season and two preseason games would not add a single game for the players collectively, but would give fans more meaningful, high-quality football.
Our emphasis on player health and safety is absolutely essential to the future of our game. We are strictly enforcing rules that protect players from unnecessarily dangerous play, especially involving hits to the head. We are changing the "play through it" culture to a "player-first" culture to ensure that if a player has a head injury, he doesn't play again until his health is certain. We are also addressing the potential wear-and-tear on players in the way they train in-season and off-season
It's not just the health of players that concerns us. We must ensure the health of the league. That includes a new system that properly compensates proven veterans and retired players by shifting some of the outrageous sums paid to many unproven rookies. Earlier this year, Sports Illustrated published a list of the 50 highest-paid American athletes that included five 2009 NFL rookies. Every other athlete on the list was a proven veteran. In 2009, NFL clubs contracted $1.2 billion to 256 drafted rookies with $585 million guaranteed before they had stepped on an NFL field.
Don't get me wrong: top draft choices will continue to be highly paid. All we're asking for is a return to common sense in paying our rookies. Other leagues have done this and we can too.
These improvements and more will lead to better football, plain and simple. A forward looking CBA that is fair to players and clubs will lead to a great future for the NFL and our fans.
My job is to represent the game - the fans, teams, players, coaches and business partners. Protecting the integrity of the game and ensuring it thrives is a responsibility I take very seriously.
This is about more than a labor agreement. It's about the future of the NFL. We have to improve and will be relentless in our quest. The commitment to our fans is to make the NFL experience even better in the years ahead. With a responsible CBA, we will fulfill that vision.
Happy New Year and enjoy the playoffs.
- Roger Goodell
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written by richie, January 03, 2011 - 10:18 AM
written by richie, January 03, 2011 - 10:18 AM
Dear Roger
As a season ticket holder, I had no problem with pre season games except you forced us to pay the same price a a regular season game. Solution....if I had a season ticket and the price was $100 for 10 games, charge $120 for the 8 regular season and and $20 for the other 2 pre season games.
Btw, how you dish out fines and suspensions is not consistent
Pgh Steeler Season Ticket Owner
As a season ticket holder, I had no problem with pre season games except you forced us to pay the same price a a regular season game. Solution....if I had a season ticket and the price was $100 for 10 games, charge $120 for the 8 regular season and and $20 for the other 2 pre season games.
Btw, how you dish out fines and suspensions is not consistent
Pgh Steeler Season Ticket Owner
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written by genius, January 03, 2011 - 10:19 AM
written by genius, January 03, 2011 - 10:19 AM
Bob--thanks for posting about this. I received it as well and hated it. The tactic reeks of politics and reminds me of emails from both sides of the aisle that got sent out during the recent campaign. I don't like much of what the commissioner has done or is doing so far, he makes one long for Emperor Tags which is quite a feat.
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written by Bucco_Blues, January 03, 2011 - 10:28 AM
written by Bucco_Blues, January 03, 2011 - 10:28 AM
This letter is like a buffet, there is so much in it! Everyone take a bite (out of Roger) and there is still more than enough for the rest in line.
How can adding 2 regular season games to the schedule NOT add "single game for the players collectively"? Also, in essence, this is telling the players that they are taking a pay cut. How can playing two more games not be considered doing more for less?
In terms of addressing player safety, it is amazing this can be written with a straight face. Earlier in the yesr, Bob provided an incredible (and IMO, damning) story on the NFL trying to quash a Pitt doctor's research into the neurological disorders that were linked to the impacts suffered while playing football. And the NFL is looking out for player safety? In this light, the only reason for an 18-game regular season schedule is to shorten the average NFL career. With cheaper rookie salaries, this can only mean a windfall for the owners at the players' expense.
I could go on, but there is far too much to comment on. But Fat Jimmy's characterization as bizarre is fitting.
How can adding 2 regular season games to the schedule NOT add "single game for the players collectively"? Also, in essence, this is telling the players that they are taking a pay cut. How can playing two more games not be considered doing more for less?
In terms of addressing player safety, it is amazing this can be written with a straight face. Earlier in the yesr, Bob provided an incredible (and IMO, damning) story on the NFL trying to quash a Pitt doctor's research into the neurological disorders that were linked to the impacts suffered while playing football. And the NFL is looking out for player safety? In this light, the only reason for an 18-game regular season schedule is to shorten the average NFL career. With cheaper rookie salaries, this can only mean a windfall for the owners at the players' expense.
I could go on, but there is far too much to comment on. But Fat Jimmy's characterization as bizarre is fitting.
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written by Naper, January 03, 2011 - 10:29 AM
written by Naper, January 03, 2011 - 10:29 AM
When I got mine this morning, my first reaction was, "What is this all about?" Where is my NFL of the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's? I know, you can't stop progress but, I believe, we're now dealing with a Madison Avenue creation. As a case in point, I bring you the obscenity of the annual draft held at Radio City Music Hall. The whole production wants to make me throw up. This comes from one who had the great fortune and pleasure of sitting in on the 1973 draft and it didn't cost me a dime for a stupid ticket. And Pete Rozell was interested in our thoughts. I don't believe Rodger would be so inclined unless the cameras were on.
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written by ItsMyLife, January 03, 2011 - 10:37 AM
written by ItsMyLife, January 03, 2011 - 10:37 AM
I'm a diehard Steelers fan and a big fan of the NFL in general. It's by *far* my favorite of the major sports leagues in this country. However, if the unbelievably rich owners and players choose to lose a season(s) and all the money that comes with it, that's their own stupidity.
I won't lose any sleep. Life will go on and I'll find other... possibly more productive things... to do with the time I normally spend at games or in front of the TV set.
I won't lose any sleep. Life will go on and I'll find other... possibly more productive things... to do with the time I normally spend at games or in front of the TV set.
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written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 10:38 AM
This is an answer to a question no one was asking. Sounds disturbingly like it is out of the Pirates FO.
written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 10:38 AM
This is an answer to a question no one was asking. Sounds disturbingly like it is out of the Pirates FO.
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written by PittPanthers90, January 03, 2011 - 10:45 AM
written by PittPanthers90, January 03, 2011 - 10:45 AM
@Clive ...
OUCH
I can't think of a worse thing to say about Roger than THAT!
(But I do agree with you!
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OUCH
I can't think of a worse thing to say about Roger than THAT!
(But I do agree with you!
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written by SteelerMark, January 03, 2011 - 10:54 AM
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me it was the worst job of NFL Commish I can ever remember (this season was).
So it starts at the top as far as I'm concerned.
Hits policy- ridiculous.
Ben/Favre/Vick/etc..- outrageous (Ben's got to get a refund!)
Rules/Penalties- crazy.
Get a grip Roger. 18 games, but you give a crap about player health because you fine 3 or 4 players a weak? But let the same stuff go away from the ball? lol
written by SteelerMark, January 03, 2011 - 10:54 AM
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me it was the worst job of NFL Commish I can ever remember (this season was).
So it starts at the top as far as I'm concerned.
Hits policy- ridiculous.
Ben/Favre/Vick/etc..- outrageous (Ben's got to get a refund!)
Rules/Penalties- crazy.
Get a grip Roger. 18 games, but you give a crap about player health because you fine 3 or 4 players a weak? But let the same stuff go away from the ball? lol
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written by Steeler Nation, January 03, 2011 - 11:05 AM
written by Steeler Nation, January 03, 2011 - 11:05 AM
This just in Roger...
"Fans" do NOT want an 18 game regular season schedule, Period.
"Fans" do NOT want an 18 game regular season schedule, Period.
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 11:07 AM
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 11:07 AM
What a bunch of political-posture-playing garbage.
Good one, RG... beating the players "to the punch."
Both owners and players are greedy and it will be the fans that pay for such greed.
Good one, RG... beating the players "to the punch."
Both owners and players are greedy and it will be the fans that pay for such greed.
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written by Nutting Hostage, January 03, 2011 - 11:11 AM
Also as speaking as a season ticket holder, I echo Richie's comments. - Spot on.
And I agree with Psumule, personally I find Goodell as genuine as I do Frank Coonelly and Steve Pederson.
written by Nutting Hostage, January 03, 2011 - 11:11 AM
Also as speaking as a season ticket holder, I echo Richie's comments. - Spot on.
And I agree with Psumule, personally I find Goodell as genuine as I do Frank Coonelly and Steve Pederson.
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written by Burgher in California, January 03, 2011 - 11:15 AM
written by Burgher in California, January 03, 2011 - 11:15 AM
*t's just a negotiating ploy.
In the event a CBA isn't reached, the league and owners will point to this and say "we've always wanted to get a deal done" then layer some fertilizer on about caring for the fans, etc. Classic "straw man" strategy where you falsely set up an argument against your opposition.
Not sure if Goodell, the NFL, owners or some public relations agency dreamed this up -- but whoever did seriously misjudged its end result because this letter seems about as honest and sincere as an attorney with a hidden agenda.
Bad move.
In the event a CBA isn't reached, the league and owners will point to this and say "we've always wanted to get a deal done" then layer some fertilizer on about caring for the fans, etc. Classic "straw man" strategy where you falsely set up an argument against your opposition.
Not sure if Goodell, the NFL, owners or some public relations agency dreamed this up -- but whoever did seriously misjudged its end result because this letter seems about as honest and sincere as an attorney with a hidden agenda.
Bad move.
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 11:17 AM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 11:17 AM
Steeler Nation -- I could not agree more.
Goodell is twisting facts and he knows it ("Fans tell us they don't like the quality of the preseason games, and we're listening.") No Roger----fans don't like paying regular season prices for pre-season games!
How about it Mr. Smizik? How about an unscientific poll on here as to whether or not fans want an 18-game schedule?
I love the Steelers and plan my weekends around their games, but I am dead set against an 18-game schedule. Those guys get beat up enough as it is, and the commish wants to increase the season by 12.5%! Player safety is not his priority; making even more money is.
I guess an $8 billion/year is not enough.
I am all for the players on this one. Don't take a smaller slice of the pie and don't agree to an 18-game schedule.
Goodell is twisting facts and he knows it ("Fans tell us they don't like the quality of the preseason games, and we're listening.") No Roger----fans don't like paying regular season prices for pre-season games!
How about it Mr. Smizik? How about an unscientific poll on here as to whether or not fans want an 18-game schedule?
I love the Steelers and plan my weekends around their games, but I am dead set against an 18-game schedule. Those guys get beat up enough as it is, and the commish wants to increase the season by 12.5%! Player safety is not his priority; making even more money is.
I guess an $8 billion/year is not enough.
I am all for the players on this one. Don't take a smaller slice of the pie and don't agree to an 18-game schedule.
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written by Naterosboro, January 03, 2011 - 11:17 AM
What Roger leaves out of his statement above is that
"fans tell us they don't like the quality of the preseason games [for the price]"....
If the owners would just lower prices for the preseason games, the NFL would hear no complaints from fans about the preseason.
Basically, everything in this world comes down to money. Roger Goodell is just trying to make his league more prosperous. I have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is the way he's going about it.
And the worst part about this is it's being done under the guise of player safety.
"Yea, we're trying to protect players from violent hits and injuries, yet want to put them in those situations for two more weeks a season..."
Too bad the NHL is taken, b/c National Hypocrites League is fitting right about now.
written by Naterosboro, January 03, 2011 - 11:17 AM
A significant change would be to resolve fan complaints about preseason by modifying our 20-game format. Fans tell us they don't like the quality of the preseason games, and we're listening. An enhanced season of 18 regular season and two preseason games would not add a single game for the players collectively, but would give fans more meaningful, high-quality football.
What Roger leaves out of his statement above is that
"fans tell us they don't like the quality of the preseason games [for the price]"....
If the owners would just lower prices for the preseason games, the NFL would hear no complaints from fans about the preseason.
Basically, everything in this world comes down to money. Roger Goodell is just trying to make his league more prosperous. I have no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is the way he's going about it.
And the worst part about this is it's being done under the guise of player safety.
"Yea, we're trying to protect players from violent hits and injuries, yet want to put them in those situations for two more weeks a season..."
Too bad the NHL is taken, b/c National Hypocrites League is fitting right about now.
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written by richie, January 03, 2011 - 11:17 AM
Thats with any business....but you dont have to buy the NFL....I'll still watch...but everybody has their breaking point......I used to watch and care about the Pirates and MLB...not anymore
written by richie, January 03, 2011 - 11:17 AM
written by JCP6
Both owners and players are greedy and it will be the fans that pay for such greed.
Thats with any business....but you dont have to buy the NFL....I'll still watch...but everybody has their breaking point......I used to watch and care about the Pirates and MLB...not anymore
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written by Max, January 03, 2011 - 11:19 AM
written by Max, January 03, 2011 - 11:19 AM
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This campaign piece should confirm for all but the most naive observer of the NFL, that Roger is first and foremost a political creature.
Every thing he does, everything he says, is politically motivated.
Like every political juggernaut, his empire will eventually crash.
This campaign piece should confirm for all but the most naive observer of the NFL, that Roger is first and foremost a political creature.
Every thing he does, everything he says, is politically motivated.
Like every political juggernaut, his empire will eventually crash.
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written by Nutting Hostage, January 03, 2011 - 11:21 AM
I think the comments in this section demonstrate that in general, people can smell a disingenuous phony a mile away.
written by Nutting Hostage, January 03, 2011 - 11:21 AM
I think the comments in this section demonstrate that in general, people can smell a disingenuous phony a mile away.
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written by BFD, January 03, 2011 - 11:22 AM
written by BFD, January 03, 2011 - 11:22 AM
Where does he address the HORRIBLE officiating and inconsistent fines, penalties, and suspensions?
What an absolute load of BS. I feel like a just read Frank Coonley's letter to season ticket holders.......
What an absolute load of BS. I feel like a just read Frank Coonley's letter to season ticket holders.......
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 11:34 AM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 11:34 AM
BFD - " I feel like a just read Frank Coonley's letter to season ticket holders....... "
Both of them?
NuHo -- Amen!
Naterosboro -- I think we wrote the exact same thing.
Ol' Goodell, must think the average fan is a dolt. Big mistake Mr. Commish.
Both of them?
NuHo -- Amen!
Naterosboro -- I think we wrote the exact same thing.
Ol' Goodell, must think the average fan is a dolt. Big mistake Mr. Commish.
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written by Fat Jimmy, January 03, 2011 - 11:35 AM
written by Fat Jimmy, January 03, 2011 - 11:35 AM
While I am not "for" an 18-game schedule, I'm not sure I'm "against" it either.
I think it is disingenuous of Goodell the way he is trying to sell the expanded schedule and to do so at the same time he trumpets player safety. But is more football really a bad thing?
Some of what he says is correct: while the intensity of practices and games for starters is not as great in the preseason as it is in the regular season, do those two weeks represent such an injury risk that they will significantly impact the product on the field? I don't think so.
I do think it is a slippery slope, though. At what point to you expand to 20 or 24 weeks? At some point the value of the games become diluted.
I think it is disingenuous of Goodell the way he is trying to sell the expanded schedule and to do so at the same time he trumpets player safety. But is more football really a bad thing?
Some of what he says is correct: while the intensity of practices and games for starters is not as great in the preseason as it is in the regular season, do those two weeks represent such an injury risk that they will significantly impact the product on the field? I don't think so.
I do think it is a slippery slope, though. At what point to you expand to 20 or 24 weeks? At some point the value of the games become diluted.
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written by AZburgher, January 03, 2011 - 11:43 AM
written by AZburgher, January 03, 2011 - 11:43 AM
My gut feeling is the NFLPA should have looked long and hard at one Mr. Donald Fehr.
The baseball guys live quite nicely. Longer careers, 40 man rosters and far better pay and benefits.
I'm also of the opinion that the late and great Gene Upshaw did these guys in years ago...
Mr. Goodell, 16 games is more than enough..
The baseball guys live quite nicely. Longer careers, 40 man rosters and far better pay and benefits.
I'm also of the opinion that the late and great Gene Upshaw did these guys in years ago...
Mr. Goodell, 16 games is more than enough..
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 11:46 AM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 11:46 AM
Fat Jimmy -- Yes...the addition of two games definitely increases the injury risk. Not only are you now going to increase the games by 12.5%, but players will be playing games 17 and 18 in lesser health which increases risk even further.
It's just like adding the extra game in college football; it is all about money. Teams used to play 11 games and a bowl. Now many play 12, plus a conf championship, plus bowl (14 games). Heck, the pros did not even play 12 at one point and now college kids do.
Greed, greed, and more greed.
It's just like adding the extra game in college football; it is all about money. Teams used to play 11 games and a bowl. Now many play 12, plus a conf championship, plus bowl (14 games). Heck, the pros did not even play 12 at one point and now college kids do.
Greed, greed, and more greed.
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written by Arriba Wilver, January 03, 2011 - 11:46 AM
written by Arriba Wilver, January 03, 2011 - 11:46 AM
This is like a typical letter, but badly done, drafted by labor lawyers that is sent out to the families of the workers so the wives will pressure their husbands either to not strike or to end an existing strike. Of the many disingenuous comments, the idea that 18 regular season games doesn't add any playing time to the players "collectively" has to be the worst. The only thing this letter did for me is to make me think the "crackdown" this year on so-called illegal play was a cynical move in an attempt to offset the argument by the players that by making the regular game schedule 18 instead of 16 the league didn't care about player safety.
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 11:47 AM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 11:47 AM
By the way, I am no expert on this, but I believe the owners still get their television money next year whether games are played or not.
Thus, the owners have the players by the kahunas to a certain extent.
Thus, the owners have the players by the kahunas to a certain extent.
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written by Fat Jimmy, January 03, 2011 - 11:52 AM
written by Fat Jimmy, January 03, 2011 - 11:52 AM
A quick look at the NFL standings show that 13 of the league's 30 teams currently have 6 wins or fewer. In almost all of these cities, the fans have had enough football for 2010-2011.
As I think about it (and picture the stands in Cleveland yesterday): could you imagine adding two more games???
On top of that, Atlanta, New England and Indianapolis have two game advantages in their standings and would largely have the playoff wrapped up. Pittsburgh/Baltimore are two games up on the nearest wildcard contender and their remaining games would not affect their postseason eligibility.
So fans in 17 of the 30 cities would be ready for the postseason/offseason right now rather than ready to play two more games.
I may be coming around on the idea of being an anti-18-game person...
As I think about it (and picture the stands in Cleveland yesterday): could you imagine adding two more games???
On top of that, Atlanta, New England and Indianapolis have two game advantages in their standings and would largely have the playoff wrapped up. Pittsburgh/Baltimore are two games up on the nearest wildcard contender and their remaining games would not affect their postseason eligibility.
So fans in 17 of the 30 cities would be ready for the postseason/offseason right now rather than ready to play two more games.
I may be coming around on the idea of being an anti-18-game person...
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written by Steeler Nation, January 03, 2011 - 11:52 AM
Some folks are born made to raise the sheild
Ooh, They're red, white and blue
And when the stadium plays the national anthem
Oh, they point the cash register at you, fan
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves
But when the tax man come to the door
Lord, the house look a like a rummage sale, yes
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no
Yeah, some folks inherit star spangled eyes
They send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask them, how much should we give
They only answer, more, more, more, yo
The sumpin' didn't fall far from the tree Roger.
I'll bet Mrs. Goodelll doesn't use aspartamane in her bake goods either... but that's for another history lesson.
written by Steeler Nation, January 03, 2011 - 11:52 AM
Some folks are born made to raise the sheild
Ooh, They're red, white and blue
And when the stadium plays the national anthem
Oh, they point the cash register at you, fan
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves
But when the tax man come to the door
Lord, the house look a like a rummage sale, yes
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no
Yeah, some folks inherit star spangled eyes
They send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask them, how much should we give
They only answer, more, more, more, yo
The sumpin' didn't fall far from the tree Roger.
I'll bet Mrs. Goodelll doesn't use aspartamane in her bake goods either... but that's for another history lesson.
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written by lordbyron, January 03, 2011 - 11:56 AM
written by lordbyron, January 03, 2011 - 11:56 AM
IMO, Goodell has quickly become a shill for the owners and not an 'ambassador' for the game. And his comments concerning the health of the players ring a little hollow given the years the NFL avoided addressing the health of its retirees - especially those with brain related injuries.
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written by Hanover Bill, January 03, 2011 - 12:07 PM
written by Hanover Bill, January 03, 2011 - 12:07 PM
Well, get ready sports fans you are about to witness millionaires fighting with billionaires, should be interesting. I don't think either one of them is particularly interested in our opinion. Myself, I find it hard to sympathize with either side considering that they both make more in a year than I probably will make in my lifetime. One thing I will say is that I don't see a problem with the 18 game regular season. Pre-season games are shear torture to watch and there is every bit as much chance of a player suffering a serious injury in a pre-season game as in a regular season game. Maybe the coaches will just have to be a little more aware of resting their starters when they get the opportunity in blow out games, etc. Either way a lock out will only alienate the fans and damage the proverbial "Goose That Laid The Golden Egg", and I can't believe either side is dumb enough to allow that to happen.
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written by AHaberman35, January 03, 2011 - 12:13 PM
written by AHaberman35, January 03, 2011 - 12:13 PM
Reminder of something I said last week. The commisioner works for the owners. Goodell may have said it but rest assured a majority of the owners are supporting it...especially Mr. Jones and Mr. Synder. These guys want to squeeze every dollar possible.
As for the letter...never let the facts get in the way of a good story eh Roger and Company? You can not say that 2 regular season games - 2 preseason games is a wash. The starters might play 3 quarters total in those pre season games compared to 8 in the regular season. And I think the hitting is a bit hard in December than in August.
I have heard very few people support the 18 game schedule. They just don't like shelling out for preseason games. Apparently its incomprehensible for owners to give up 10% of their ticket revenue. Which is not true because they would raise prices anyway.
I have a buddy from NY. He had a chance to buy Giant's season tix in the upper deck. Including PSLs...$20,000 for the first season, for two tickets. Enough said.
As for the letter...never let the facts get in the way of a good story eh Roger and Company? You can not say that 2 regular season games - 2 preseason games is a wash. The starters might play 3 quarters total in those pre season games compared to 8 in the regular season. And I think the hitting is a bit hard in December than in August.
I have heard very few people support the 18 game schedule. They just don't like shelling out for preseason games. Apparently its incomprehensible for owners to give up 10% of their ticket revenue. Which is not true because they would raise prices anyway.
I have a buddy from NY. He had a chance to buy Giant's season tix in the upper deck. Including PSLs...$20,000 for the first season, for two tickets. Enough said.
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written by CLASSOF79, January 03, 2011 - 12:13 PM
written by CLASSOF79, January 03, 2011 - 12:13 PM
I thought it spoke volumes that he stated that "his job it to represent the game - fans, teams, players, owners and business partners" just after he made the comment that "All we're asking is a return to common sense in paying our rookies.
That sure doesn't sound like something the players would say.
That sure doesn't sound like something the players would say.
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written by Joe Lawrence, January 03, 2011 - 12:19 PM
written by Joe Lawrence, January 03, 2011 - 12:19 PM
I don’t like the idea of an 18 game schedule at all. But the preseason games stink, yet teams need a way to get prospects into game situations and borderline players need a chance to show what they can do. In the end, I’m guessing they will get it whether I like it or not.
Here’s a thought on how an 18 game schedule could work while avoiding having a spring Super Bowl:
1)Two preseason games in early August. Team roster size of 100 for both.
2)Cutdown to 90 on the Monday before Labor Day
3)First game of the season is Labor Day weekend.
4)Weeks 1-4 of the regular season:
a.All games are interconference only.
b.Rosters at 90 for week one, reduced by the greater of 5 each week OR the number active players who were not in the game for at least one play, whichever is higher.
5)Weeks 5-18:
a.Overall roster size of 75. The extra 20 spots are at league minimum, half of which is funded by the savings from implementing a rookie wage scale. The other half is absorbed by the teams.
b.active game day rosters at 55 or perhaps 60, with 15-20 players on a “taxi squad”.
c.Teams can move players up and down 2 times during the season, after which they must follow current practice squad rules.
d.Elimination of limits/restrictions of many seasons a player can be on a team’s taxi squad.
e.Elimination of the bye week.
Outcome – season starts one week earlier and finishes same as now. The teams put their money where their mouth is regarding player wear and tear and pay ½ of the increased roster size. NFLPA gets more members. TV executives learn that Labor Day weekend is actually a wonderful time to kick off the NFL season.
Again, I’m not wild about more games, but its hard to imagine the NFL simply eliminating preseason games without some sort of revenue to offset it. We may as well get ready for it...after the strike/lockout.
Here’s a thought on how an 18 game schedule could work while avoiding having a spring Super Bowl:
1)Two preseason games in early August. Team roster size of 100 for both.
2)Cutdown to 90 on the Monday before Labor Day
3)First game of the season is Labor Day weekend.
4)Weeks 1-4 of the regular season:
a.All games are interconference only.
b.Rosters at 90 for week one, reduced by the greater of 5 each week OR the number active players who were not in the game for at least one play, whichever is higher.
5)Weeks 5-18:
a.Overall roster size of 75. The extra 20 spots are at league minimum, half of which is funded by the savings from implementing a rookie wage scale. The other half is absorbed by the teams.
b.active game day rosters at 55 or perhaps 60, with 15-20 players on a “taxi squad”.
c.Teams can move players up and down 2 times during the season, after which they must follow current practice squad rules.
d.Elimination of limits/restrictions of many seasons a player can be on a team’s taxi squad.
e.Elimination of the bye week.
Outcome – season starts one week earlier and finishes same as now. The teams put their money where their mouth is regarding player wear and tear and pay ½ of the increased roster size. NFLPA gets more members. TV executives learn that Labor Day weekend is actually a wonderful time to kick off the NFL season.
Again, I’m not wild about more games, but its hard to imagine the NFL simply eliminating preseason games without some sort of revenue to offset it. We may as well get ready for it...after the strike/lockout.
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written by Mr. Tony, January 03, 2011 - 12:20 PM
written by Mr. Tony, January 03, 2011 - 12:20 PM
If the NFL cared about safety of the players why not eliminate 2 exhibition games and leave it a 16 game schedule. I actualy side with the players on this one.
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written by Retire#21, January 03, 2011 - 12:20 PM
written by Retire#21, January 03, 2011 - 12:20 PM
When I saw the headline I got excited, I was hoping it was a resignation letter.
The Red Zone Channel is a significant improvement for fans? The draft in prime time over the course of 3 days is a good thing?
I've been a fan for 40 years and began attending Steeler games in 1972 at the age of 9. I've not been surveyed but I can tell you that I don't want 18 regular season games. I don't want this throw a dart at the wall method of discipline that seems to be handed out. I'm blown away that Favre gets fined for not cooperating in an investigation while Goodell himself orders the destruction of the remaining evidence in the Bellicheat scandal.
I think Goodell means well, I don't think that he is evil, and heck, he's probably also a very good guy...but I've had enough of his leadership era. Mr. Rooney may have a track record for picking coaches, but he came up short in this selection for commissioner.
The Red Zone Channel is a significant improvement for fans? The draft in prime time over the course of 3 days is a good thing?
I've been a fan for 40 years and began attending Steeler games in 1972 at the age of 9. I've not been surveyed but I can tell you that I don't want 18 regular season games. I don't want this throw a dart at the wall method of discipline that seems to be handed out. I'm blown away that Favre gets fined for not cooperating in an investigation while Goodell himself orders the destruction of the remaining evidence in the Bellicheat scandal.
I think Goodell means well, I don't think that he is evil, and heck, he's probably also a very good guy...but I've had enough of his leadership era. Mr. Rooney may have a track record for picking coaches, but he came up short in this selection for commissioner.
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 12:32 PM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 12:32 PM
How about we invite Steve Pederson, Roger Goodell, Bob Nutting, Frank Coonelly, and Neal Huntington out for a cold beer with our little group. That would be interesting. Uncle Bob can officiate.
Should we extend an invite to Littlefield as well?
In all seriousness, the description of Goodell's "letter" as disingenuous could not be more accurate.
Should we extend an invite to Littlefield as well?
In all seriousness, the description of Goodell's "letter" as disingenuous could not be more accurate.
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written by gezmills, January 03, 2011 - 12:39 PM
written by gezmills, January 03, 2011 - 12:39 PM
Adding 2 more games will result in a total of 64 more games a year (32 teams x 2 games). Why not just add four more teams? That would result in a additional 64 games even keeping the current 16 game schedule. LA is already waiting. Surely they can find 3 other cities/owners that will pay the NFL big bucks for a team.
For that matter add 8 teams (8 teams x 16 = 12
that will give Rodger the Dodger and the greedy owners (not all of them) even more money!
Cutting down on the preseason will only make it more difficult for undrafted players to make the teams. However, the NFL wants to pawn off the preseason games for full price - they have been ripping off their ticket holders for years. I personally like the preseason games. I like to watch the new players to see if they can contribute in the future.
18 games is a bad idea and is based solely on greed! The worst thing about football right now is the injuries. Who wants to see the best players sitting on the bench because they are hurt? 18 games will only increase the number and severity of injuries.
For that matter add 8 teams (8 teams x 16 = 12
that will give Rodger the Dodger and the greedy owners (not all of them) even more money! Cutting down on the preseason will only make it more difficult for undrafted players to make the teams. However, the NFL wants to pawn off the preseason games for full price - they have been ripping off their ticket holders for years. I personally like the preseason games. I like to watch the new players to see if they can contribute in the future.
18 games is a bad idea and is based solely on greed! The worst thing about football right now is the injuries. Who wants to see the best players sitting on the bench because they are hurt? 18 games will only increase the number and severity of injuries.
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written by Jamie the Leprechaun, January 03, 2011 - 12:39 PM
written by Jamie the Leprechaun, January 03, 2011 - 12:39 PM
Why pick on the Pirates management? This is about the NFL---You even given Pederson a shot. Just don't bring in Billt Stewart or John Durdines into this beat down.
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written by Fat Jimmy, January 03, 2011 - 12:42 PM
written by Fat Jimmy, January 03, 2011 - 12:42 PM
Instead of worrying about rookie salaries and 18-game schedules, here is my list of things Roger Goodell should be working on to make the game better for fans: (most are TV related)
1) Void the contract with any network that intends on using Joe Buck and Troy Aikman as its announcers.
2) Do not broadcast games on the NFL Network.
3) Muzzle Chris Berman from hinting at who the next pick will be at the NFL Draft ... and simultaneously prohibit ESPN from showing footage of said next pick talking on his phone smiling right before the selection. (Build the drama, people!)
4) More cheerleaders. Less Tony Siragusa.
5) Require CBS and Fox to break in to games with highlights from around the league at least once every 5 minutes.
6) Eliminate these silly leading-with-the-head personal fouls. It's impossible to officiate those calls consistently.
7) Split pass interference calls into three categories: a) Flagerate pass interference (i.e. guy is dragged down) = spot of foul + 1st down b) Minor pass interference (i.e. contact made before the catch) = 15 yards + 1st down c) Pass interference made in front of the 1st down marker = spot of foul only.
Seattle and Buffalo must get new uniforms.
9) San Diego must wear their powder blues at all times.
10) Ray Lewis is kicked out of the league and thrown into jail for murder.
1) Void the contract with any network that intends on using Joe Buck and Troy Aikman as its announcers.
2) Do not broadcast games on the NFL Network.
3) Muzzle Chris Berman from hinting at who the next pick will be at the NFL Draft ... and simultaneously prohibit ESPN from showing footage of said next pick talking on his phone smiling right before the selection. (Build the drama, people!)
4) More cheerleaders. Less Tony Siragusa.
5) Require CBS and Fox to break in to games with highlights from around the league at least once every 5 minutes.
6) Eliminate these silly leading-with-the-head personal fouls. It's impossible to officiate those calls consistently.
7) Split pass interference calls into three categories: a) Flagerate pass interference (i.e. guy is dragged down) = spot of foul + 1st down b) Minor pass interference (i.e. contact made before the catch) = 15 yards + 1st down c) Pass interference made in front of the 1st down marker = spot of foul only.
Seattle and Buffalo must get new uniforms. 9) San Diego must wear their powder blues at all times.
10) Ray Lewis is kicked out of the league and thrown into jail for murder.
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written by Fat Jimmy, January 03, 2011 - 12:45 PM
Because the NFL gets a good portion of its revenue from central broadcasting deals, merchandise and other shared streams. Adding 4 more teams would split the pot an additional 4 ways, without increasing shared revenue significantly.
Adding the games via weeks increases the amount of advertising you can sell.
written by Fat Jimmy, January 03, 2011 - 12:45 PM
Adding 2 more games will result in a total of 64 more games a year (32 teams x 2 games). Why not just add four more teams? That would result in a additional 64 games even keeping the current 16 game schedule. LA is already waiting. Surely they can find 3 other cities/owners that will pay the NFL big bucks for a team.
Because the NFL gets a good portion of its revenue from central broadcasting deals, merchandise and other shared streams. Adding 4 more teams would split the pot an additional 4 ways, without increasing shared revenue significantly.
Adding the games via weeks increases the amount of advertising you can sell.
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 12:50 PM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 12:50 PM
gezmills -- adding two games adds a total of 32 games; not 64.
Did the Leprchaun give you those numbers?
Did the Leprchaun give you those numbers?
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written by Navy, January 03, 2011 - 12:51 PM
written by Navy, January 03, 2011 - 12:51 PM
The difference between pre season games and regular season is so distinct that it's an insult for Roger Goodell to even address it. How many Willie Parkers and James Harrisons will fail to be discovered if they eliminate the preseason games? Rookie salary cap, yes. Eighteen games no.
Just because Jerry Jones had to build a 250000000 seat monstrosity should not make filling it up a national fan base problem.
Just because Jerry Jones had to build a 250000000 seat monstrosity should not make filling it up a national fan base problem.
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 12:54 PM
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 12:54 PM
@gezmills,
I sincerely hope your significant other or some other entity does your federal taxes, or you just may owe the IRS double of what you think you do.
I sincerely hope your significant other or some other entity does your federal taxes, or you just may owe the IRS double of what you think you do.
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written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 12:54 PM
you all are crazy the letter is right on the money.
preseason games are worthless and a waste of talent you could just scrimmage against other teams and get the same evaluations results except TV isnt involved.
fans are irrelevent, pittsburgh fans would still drive to latrobe and watch the scrimmages
if the steelers play it they will come
regulating rookies salaries and paying proven players and retired players premiums bravo!!
for every maurice pouncey there are three tony mandrich's and a not taken care of mike webster
screw rookies most are well paid before they get to the NFL if they are elite.
Besides all of this it doesnt matter what the fans want
they will still come regardless to games cause their lives revolve around football
still buy the nfl package because they play fantasy football
The letter from commissioner goodell is to inform us not include us or get our opinion
he gets it you dont
Roger has spoken get use to it America is hooked and an addict to his product.
written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 12:54 PM
you all are crazy the letter is right on the money.
preseason games are worthless and a waste of talent you could just scrimmage against other teams and get the same evaluations results except TV isnt involved.
fans are irrelevent, pittsburgh fans would still drive to latrobe and watch the scrimmages
if the steelers play it they will come
regulating rookies salaries and paying proven players and retired players premiums bravo!!
for every maurice pouncey there are three tony mandrich's and a not taken care of mike webster
screw rookies most are well paid before they get to the NFL if they are elite.
Besides all of this it doesnt matter what the fans want
they will still come regardless to games cause their lives revolve around football
still buy the nfl package because they play fantasy football
The letter from commissioner goodell is to inform us not include us or get our opinion
he gets it you dont
Roger has spoken get use to it America is hooked and an addict to his product.
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 12:56 PM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 12:56 PM
Leprechaun -- I'll lay off Bucco mgmnt if you lay off the "Dana Eveland has the potential to be a Cy Young candidate" talk.
Now Lucky Charms Boy -- In regards to the football, you would have some street cred on here if you did not constantly call for the return of Nehlen, Ara Parseghian, and the Wing T.
Now Lucky Charms Boy -- In regards to the football, you would have some street cred on here if you did not constantly call for the return of Nehlen, Ara Parseghian, and the Wing T.
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 01:01 PM
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 01:01 PM
@meyers58,
Who is Maurice Pouncey?
And, have you ever thought about taking a basic English writing course?
Who is Maurice Pouncey?
And, have you ever thought about taking a basic English writing course?
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written by SufferinBuccotash, January 03, 2011 - 01:04 PM
written by SufferinBuccotash, January 03, 2011 - 01:04 PM
Of course you Can reach and agreement and of course you WILL reach an agreement, but the real question you didn't answer is WHEN will you reach an agreement?
And as far as an 18 game schedule goes, you should have told the truth:
Dear Fans,
My employers, the owners, came to me with a problem that has plagued them for a long time.
They have to sell these two preseason ticket games to their season ticket holders at full price. But even though the season ticket holders HAVE to buy them, the stadiums are usually only two thirds full because most don't come, and they are losing out on parking and concession revenues.
While we'd LOVE to have a 20 game schedule and no preseason games to milk every last drop we can from you, the fan, we realize that this idea has a snowball's chance in Hades of ever being agreed to by the NFLPA.
So we reached a compromise. We'll convert two preseason games to regular season games. This will allow each owner to squeeze you, the fan, for another full game's worth of parking & concessions, whiile you, the fan, feel like you are getting more bang for your buck since you only have to buy one preseason game ticket at full price rather than two.
I know you can see how this is a win-win for everyone involved!
Happy New Year and remember: ShopNFL.com!
RG
And as far as an 18 game schedule goes, you should have told the truth:
Dear Fans,
My employers, the owners, came to me with a problem that has plagued them for a long time.
They have to sell these two preseason ticket games to their season ticket holders at full price. But even though the season ticket holders HAVE to buy them, the stadiums are usually only two thirds full because most don't come, and they are losing out on parking and concession revenues.
While we'd LOVE to have a 20 game schedule and no preseason games to milk every last drop we can from you, the fan, we realize that this idea has a snowball's chance in Hades of ever being agreed to by the NFLPA.
So we reached a compromise. We'll convert two preseason games to regular season games. This will allow each owner to squeeze you, the fan, for another full game's worth of parking & concessions, whiile you, the fan, feel like you are getting more bang for your buck since you only have to buy one preseason game ticket at full price rather than two.
I know you can see how this is a win-win for everyone involved!
Happy New Year and remember: ShopNFL.com!
RG
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 01:05 PM
"every?" LOL... seriously, you were joking there, weren't you?
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 01:05 PM
every read ee cummings
"every?" LOL... seriously, you were joking there, weren't you?
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written by Bill, January 03, 2011 - 01:07 PM
written by Bill, January 03, 2011 - 01:07 PM
Goodell is running a 50 billion dollar corp with 32 franchisees---These guys all have large wallets and even larger egos. He needs to take care of the revenue stream no matter how disenfranchised the professional labor force is. These franchisees hire highly paid slaves to work and no matter how the conditions are they must work. It take them 25 years to figure out how bad astro turf was and it's impact on their slaves before they made improvements. If they could get a 50 week schedule they would do it. Revenue drives the machine- not fans--not players--not the media.
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written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:09 PM
written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:09 PM
JCP
seriouusly know
your bloggin at 2 and your not an addict you will support the nfl regardless and Bob too
seriouusly know
your bloggin at 2 and your not an addict you will support the nfl regardless and Bob too
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 01:11 PM
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 01:11 PM
@Bill,
To compare highly paid pro athletes to slaves who weren't paid a penny shows great ignorance by the person doing the comparision.
These franchisees hire highly paid slaves to work and no matter how the conditions are they must work.
To compare highly paid pro athletes to slaves who weren't paid a penny shows great ignorance by the person doing the comparision.
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written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:15 PM
I figured it out JCP is BOB
he replies just like bob
i agree with bill
to quote steaming willie beamin
"its the same in the pros except the fieldhands get paid"
i think bill stole that quote somewhat
written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:15 PM
I figured it out JCP is BOB
he replies just like bob
i agree with bill
to quote steaming willie beamin
"its the same in the pros except the fieldhands get paid"
i think bill stole that quote somewhat
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written by Bill, January 03, 2011 - 01:19 PM
written by Bill, January 03, 2011 - 01:19 PM
@ JCP62
The definition of slave has no meaning relating to renumeration. Certain Bond Slaves were in fact paid to reduce a debt or obtain a free title to themselves or their chattel. If I play in the NFL and am garnered with a Franchise Player I cannot freely move to another team or freely sell my services to the highest bidder. I am not utilizing the term slave as a racial connotation. The plays are treated like chattel. MLB players won their freedom in the 70's the NFL still treats their players a slaves.
The definition of slave has no meaning relating to renumeration. Certain Bond Slaves were in fact paid to reduce a debt or obtain a free title to themselves or their chattel. If I play in the NFL and am garnered with a Franchise Player I cannot freely move to another team or freely sell my services to the highest bidder. I am not utilizing the term slave as a racial connotation. The plays are treated like chattel. MLB players won their freedom in the 70's the NFL still treats their players a slaves.
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written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:21 PM
bill 1
jcp 0
no greater retort since samuel jackson in pulp fiction!!
written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:21 PM
bill 1
jcp 0
no greater retort since samuel jackson in pulp fiction!!
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written by SteelerMark, January 03, 2011 - 01:25 PM
written by SteelerMark, January 03, 2011 - 01:25 PM
"Goodell may have said it but rest assured a majority of the owners are supporting it...especially Mr. Jones and Mr. Synder. These guys want to squeeze every dollar possible."
And how is this person qualified to make such a post, or how is anyone here qualified to make such a post?
Have any of you ever run the NFL? Ever even managed an NFL franchise? Or played as a professional?
Perhaps you get my point?
And how is this person qualified to make such a post, or how is anyone here qualified to make such a post?
Have any of you ever run the NFL? Ever even managed an NFL franchise? Or played as a professional?
Perhaps you get my point?
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 01:26 PM
I won't difnify just how out of step you are with your analogy or use of the term "slave" to compare these modern athletes to actual slaves.
To try to justify your previous ignorant statement with this so-called evidence just goes to show the man behind those words. So tell me, where does your KKK meetings take place?
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 01:26 PM
written by Bill, January 03, 2011 - 02:19 PM
@ JCP62
The definition of slave has no meaning relating to renumeration. Certain Bond Slaves were in fact paid to reduce a debt or obtain a free title to themselves or their chattel. If I play in the NFL and am garnered with a Franchise Player I cannot freely move to another team or freely sell my services to the highest bidder. I am not utilizing the term slave as a racial connotation. The plays are treated like chattel. MLB players won their freedom in the 70's the NFL still treats their players a slaves.
I won't difnify just how out of step you are with your analogy or use of the term "slave" to compare these modern athletes to actual slaves.
To try to justify your previous ignorant statement with this so-called evidence just goes to show the man behind those words. So tell me, where does your KKK meetings take place?
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written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:27 PM
written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:27 PM
bill
youre like good will hunting laying the smackdown on the harvard type jcp
man come into a blog and end up in a barney!!
youre like good will hunting laying the smackdown on the harvard type jcp
man come into a blog and end up in a barney!!
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written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:30 PM
written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 01:30 PM
bob
sorry to compare you to jcp no way you ever refer to someone's KKK card
mark were you an owner players or just know it all
sorry to compare you to jcp no way you ever refer to someone's KKK card
mark were you an owner players or just know it all
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written by Jamie the Leprechaun, January 03, 2011 - 01:36 PM
written by Jamie the Leprechaun, January 03, 2011 - 01:36 PM
Top of the Morn:
Why bring Dana Eveland into this thread? At least he is not a slave!
Why bring Dana Eveland into this thread? At least he is not a slave!
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written by dontknocktherock, January 03, 2011 - 01:38 PM
written by dontknocktherock, January 03, 2011 - 01:38 PM
Public Relations 101
The letter means nothing.
The old adage "Actions speak louder than words" were never truer.
The letter means nothing.
The old adage "Actions speak louder than words" were never truer.
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written by Jamie the Leprechaun, January 03, 2011 - 01:38 PM
written by Jamie the Leprechaun, January 03, 2011 - 01:38 PM
I don't even like the NFL- Can't wait until spring training. Let's go Bucs! I have watched the 60 series 5 times already and we still win every time.
I never said Dana Eveland had Cy Young potential.
I never said Dana Eveland had Cy Young potential.
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written by BoogClemente, January 03, 2011 - 02:00 PM
written by BoogClemente, January 03, 2011 - 02:00 PM
Steeler Nation--great use of a great song by Creedence. Roger Goodell's father, Charles Goodell, was a US Senator from New York in the early 1970s. Expanding the season to 18 games is a bad idea--another example of trying to maximize short term profits at the expense of long term profits
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written by burgh1972, January 03, 2011 - 02:07 PM
written by burgh1972, January 03, 2011 - 02:07 PM
As a season ticket holder I can live with either expanding the regular season(better change to sell if want to), removing a preseason game(and my cost) or not requiring us to buy preseason tickets(ideal solution).
This isn't a players vs owners issue. If anyone thinks the owners OR players will accept getting less from ticket sales your dreaming. It's a money issue. Owners can get more TV money for another regular season game and players don't want the extra game since it means their working 1 more game for the same money.
Players say safety is there concern but on the other hand their aginst the stricter rules. Me personnally I could care less since it's not my body getting hit and I belive their all grown men and know what their getting into, just ask them.
As long as I get a better value for my investment I'm all for it. This is one of the few times the ticket holder might gain something for their loyalty and money..
This isn't a players vs owners issue. If anyone thinks the owners OR players will accept getting less from ticket sales your dreaming. It's a money issue. Owners can get more TV money for another regular season game and players don't want the extra game since it means their working 1 more game for the same money.
Players say safety is there concern but on the other hand their aginst the stricter rules. Me personnally I could care less since it's not my body getting hit and I belive their all grown men and know what their getting into, just ask them.
As long as I get a better value for my investment I'm all for it. This is one of the few times the ticket holder might gain something for their loyalty and money..
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written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 02:15 PM
The NFL is not a $50B corporation.
Renumeration means to recount something. Remuneration means to pay someone.
To be a slave means that you have no control over yourself or your possessions. It is, therefore, idiosyncratic that certain types servitude may or may not have allowed it.
The obvious errors / misstatements greatly weaken the point that you attempt to make.
That said, I spent New Year's in a DC bar with several Washington Redskins players. Sometime after midnight, we got to this very subject. Their statement (not mine):
And, it was stated in relation to race. The guy in charge is white and we (the black players) just have to do what we are told.
My solution? I bought the guys a beer, because I felt sorry for their lot in life.
written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 02:15 PM
Goodell is running a 50 billion dollar corp with 32 franchisees
The NFL is not a $50B corporation.
The definition of slave has no meaning relating to renumeration.
Renumeration means to recount something. Remuneration means to pay someone.
To be a slave means that you have no control over yourself or your possessions. It is, therefore, idiosyncratic that certain types servitude may or may not have allowed it.
The obvious errors / misstatements greatly weaken the point that you attempt to make.
That said, I spent New Year's in a DC bar with several Washington Redskins players. Sometime after midnight, we got to this very subject. Their statement (not mine):
We're just slaves doing what the master tells us to do.
And, it was stated in relation to race. The guy in charge is white and we (the black players) just have to do what we are told.
My solution? I bought the guys a beer, because I felt sorry for their lot in life.
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 02:24 PM
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 02:24 PM
@CliveJameson,
If that did happen as you say it did, it is most likely the players were "venting" and in their eyes they may seem to be slaves without understanding that they most certainly are not, even if they think themselves to be... after all, they can just quit.
If that did happen as you say it did, it is most likely the players were "venting" and in their eyes they may seem to be slaves without understanding that they most certainly are not, even if they think themselves to be... after all, they can just quit.
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 02:25 PM
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 02:25 PM
btw...
About feeling sorry for them... you were joking, right?
My solution? I bought the guys a beer, because I felt sorry for their lot in life.
About feeling sorry for them... you were joking, right?
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written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 02:29 PM
To be sure, there is a lot of context missing here.
The slave analogy is hyperbole, in all cases. The collective bargaining agreement that allows for unilateral termination of a contract is a big contributor to the feeling of being less than equal partners.
They were indeed venting but also joking and taunting me a bit. Just having a normal good time.
written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 02:29 PM
If that did happen as you say it did, it is most likely the players were "venting" and in their eyes they may seem to be slaves without understanding that they most certainly are not, even if they think themselves to be... after all, they can just quit.
To be sure, there is a lot of context missing here.
The slave analogy is hyperbole, in all cases. The collective bargaining agreement that allows for unilateral termination of a contract is a big contributor to the feeling of being less than equal partners.
They were indeed venting but also joking and taunting me a bit. Just having a normal good time.
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 02:31 PM
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 02:31 PM
Thanks for providing a candid perspective. I understand.
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written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 02:32 PM
written by meyers58, January 03, 2011 - 02:32 PM
JCP
do you have your own thoughts or do you just argue with others
do you have your own thoughts or do you just argue with others
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written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 02:39 PM
written by JCP62, January 03, 2011 - 02:39 PM
meyers58,
Obviously, you are also lacking in the timing of your replies or you simply cannot comprehend what you are reading as I did not argue with CliveJameson.
With all due respect, give it up.
Obviously, you are also lacking in the timing of your replies or you simply cannot comprehend what you are reading as I did not argue with CliveJameson.
With all due respect, give it up.
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written by Aero, January 03, 2011 - 02:41 PM
written by Aero, January 03, 2011 - 02:41 PM
An 18 game schedule is too much. I'd support going back to a 14 game schedule before going to an 18 game regular season...
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written by Darkhorses, January 03, 2011 - 02:53 PM
written by Darkhorses, January 03, 2011 - 02:53 PM
Goodell wants 18 games. Looking at some performances yesterday, some teams don't play 16.
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 02:58 PM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 02:58 PM
Clive -- normally I agree with you. If you are just providing the players perspective; fine. Please tell me you don't agree with it.
Let me say--I don't think the players should agree to go to an 18 game schedule and I don't think they should take a smaller piece of the pie.
But, with that being said, most Americans work at the behest of their employer. Some people work with a year to year contract in which they have zero input; their choice is to leave if they don't like the terms and conditions. Some people work with no contracts at all.
I love when NFL players complain that contracts are basically one way. Well yeah------that is the way most of us live day to day.
Thus, the players have a union. When it comes to these aspects, I feel no sympathy at all for the players. If they don't like it; go find another job.
Both the owners and players need a dose of reality now and then to see what the real world is like.
Let me say--I don't think the players should agree to go to an 18 game schedule and I don't think they should take a smaller piece of the pie.
But, with that being said, most Americans work at the behest of their employer. Some people work with a year to year contract in which they have zero input; their choice is to leave if they don't like the terms and conditions. Some people work with no contracts at all.
I love when NFL players complain that contracts are basically one way. Well yeah------that is the way most of us live day to day.
Thus, the players have a union. When it comes to these aspects, I feel no sympathy at all for the players. If they don't like it; go find another job.
Both the owners and players need a dose of reality now and then to see what the real world is like.
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written by JuniataKid, January 03, 2011 - 03:06 PM
I wish I knew what fans he was listening to. Most fans I hear think the season is either long enough or too long. Honestly, I think 16 games is too many. 18 would be insane.
written by JuniataKid, January 03, 2011 - 03:06 PM
I wish I knew what fans he was listening to. Most fans I hear think the season is either long enough or too long. Honestly, I think 16 games is too many. 18 would be insane.
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written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 03:09 PM
The use of slavery to depict the relationship between players and management/ownership is hyperbole.
As a rhetorical device, I think it is misleading, ineffective, and counterproductive.
Much like Mr. Goodell's letter that Bob has posted, it smacks of an agenda and manipulation. I think that such over-the-top comparisons are off-putting.*
*Unless you are sitting on a bar stool or in your living room bantering amiably back and forth. Then, the sky is the limit. Say what you want in goodwill.
written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 03:09 PM
Clive -- normally I agree with you. If you are just providing the players perspective; fine. Please tell me you don't agree with it.
The use of slavery to depict the relationship between players and management/ownership is hyperbole.
As a rhetorical device, I think it is misleading, ineffective, and counterproductive.
Much like Mr. Goodell's letter that Bob has posted, it smacks of an agenda and manipulation. I think that such over-the-top comparisons are off-putting.*
*Unless you are sitting on a bar stool or in your living room bantering amiably back and forth. Then, the sky is the limit. Say what you want in goodwill.
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written by bngfan95, January 03, 2011 - 03:11 PM
written by bngfan95, January 03, 2011 - 03:11 PM
Thanks for the post Bob.
The Commish isn't very popular in these parts, for what many consider obvious reasons (me included); however, this move makes me wonder if he has hired Maverick Carter and company to do PR for him. Not only is the timing of this horrendous, but how disingenuous he comes off is troubling.
I have felt for some time that Goodell is struggling to find his place in history compared to Rozelle, Tagliabue, even Bell. After reading this, I am more convinced than ever that this is what he is doing.
The "Decision II" lives.
The Commish isn't very popular in these parts, for what many consider obvious reasons (me included); however, this move makes me wonder if he has hired Maverick Carter and company to do PR for him. Not only is the timing of this horrendous, but how disingenuous he comes off is troubling.
I have felt for some time that Goodell is struggling to find his place in history compared to Rozelle, Tagliabue, even Bell. After reading this, I am more convinced than ever that this is what he is doing.
The "Decision II" lives.
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written by mdg11, January 03, 2011 - 03:13 PM
written by mdg11, January 03, 2011 - 03:13 PM
Richie,
I don't understand your plan. Either way you are paying $1000 for the season. What difference does it make if all tickets are $100, or some are $20 and others are $120.
I don't understand your plan. Either way you are paying $1000 for the season. What difference does it make if all tickets are $100, or some are $20 and others are $120.
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written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 03:15 PM
I actually disagree with this sentiment. They are in the real world, it is just quite a bit different than the one you and I live in.
Life isn't fair.
The unfairness they face is more fair than the unfairness the average person must fare.
Fair enough?
written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 03:15 PM
Both the owners and players need a dose of reality now and then to see what the real world is like.
I actually disagree with this sentiment. They are in the real world, it is just quite a bit different than the one you and I live in.
Life isn't fair.
The unfairness they face is more fair than the unfairness the average person must fare.
Fair enough?
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 03:21 PM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 03:21 PM
Clive - I do hope you realize that I did not use slavery to depict the relationship between management and player. That was another poster.
Thanks for your feedback, but I don't think you answered my question. If you did, and I am missing it, I apologize.
Thanks for your feedback, but I don't think you answered my question. If you did, and I am missing it, I apologize.
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written by Wuzafan, January 03, 2011 - 03:29 PM
written by Wuzafan, January 03, 2011 - 03:29 PM
Expanding the season to 18 games is all about the money. Not the money the teams would make from extra attendance by replacing 2 of the preseason games...that pales in comparison to the extra TV money that would be made. And it is laughable that he points out that safety is such a big priority for the NFL. If it was, they would never consider going to 18 games. Goodell is trying to say that it is just trading 2 preseason games for 2 more real games. In the preseason, rookies and 2nd stringers get the bulk of the action while the starters rest. With regular season games, the starters and star players are the ones who will be exposed to more injuries. Its tough to keep players healthy for 16 games, let alone 18. I hope the players can win on this issue and keep it from happening.
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written by SteelerMark, January 03, 2011 - 03:32 PM
Meyers58- Just a know it all. Like I know yer a DB.
written by SteelerMark, January 03, 2011 - 03:32 PM
Meyers58- Just a know it all. Like I know yer a DB.
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written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 03:37 PM
I do understand that you did not use that comparison and do not think it valid.
I'm actually a little exhausted and not sure if I did answer your question.
I don't care for any arguments that take such extreme positions, they really turn me off. So, do I agree with them? Not really.
My nonsense answer punning on fair/fare above was a frivolous attempt to say that everyone has a sense of inequities, regardless of their income or position.
Should the players or owners expect the average person to commiserate with them? No.
If that didn't answer your question, I do apologize as well. It has been a long day.
written by CliveJameson, January 03, 2011 - 03:37 PM
Clive - I do hope you realize that I did not use slavery to depict the relationship between management and player. That was another poster.
Thanks for your feedback, but I don't think you answered my question. If you did, and I am missing it, I apologize.
I do understand that you did not use that comparison and do not think it valid.
I'm actually a little exhausted and not sure if I did answer your question.
I don't care for any arguments that take such extreme positions, they really turn me off. So, do I agree with them? Not really.
My nonsense answer punning on fair/fare above was a frivolous attempt to say that everyone has a sense of inequities, regardless of their income or position.
Should the players or owners expect the average person to commiserate with them? No.
If that didn't answer your question, I do apologize as well. It has been a long day.
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written by burgh1972, January 03, 2011 - 03:48 PM
written by burgh1972, January 03, 2011 - 03:48 PM
mdg11
The person might have been thinking that regular season tickets are easier to move than preseason where nobody really wants them.
TicketExchange will have 4-5 thousand tickets available for a preseason but not as many for regular.
The person might have been thinking that regular season tickets are easier to move than preseason where nobody really wants them.
TicketExchange will have 4-5 thousand tickets available for a preseason but not as many for regular.
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written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 03:53 PM
written by wee willie wallace, January 03, 2011 - 03:53 PM
OK Clive. Thanks. I don't completely agree, but I appreciate the clarification. I know now where you are coming from.
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written by BaseballFan, January 03, 2011 - 04:58 PM
written by BaseballFan, January 03, 2011 - 04:58 PM
"In the wake of a sex scandal that tarnished Brett Favre's storied 20-year NFL career and cost him a a $50,000 fine, two more women have come forward, filing a sexual harassment suit against the star quarterback."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gma-exclusive-brett-favre-sued-sexual-harassment-jets/story?id=12531048
http://abcnews.go.com/US/gma-exclusive-brett-favre-sued-sexual-harassment-jets/story?id=12531048
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written by Brant, January 03, 2011 - 05:31 PM
written by Brant, January 03, 2011 - 05:31 PM
Goodell has been proving over and over again that the job of NFL commissioner is too big for him. When you start making Gary Bettman look good, you have problems. The most ridiculous thing in Goodell's treatise is the bit about the "20-game format." Does he think we're idiots. There are 16 "real" games and four exhibitions. Yes, I know, the NFL likes to call them "preseason games." We know better. And suggesting that two additional regular-season games are equal to two exhibition games in which veterans often play very little is asinine. Goodell is an embarrassment.
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written by sean t, January 04, 2011 - 08:26 AM
written by sean t, January 04, 2011 - 08:26 AM
@Bill,
I find your comparison of NFL players to slaves (and anyone else's such comparison, even if it's the players themselves) to be quite offensive. A slave is someone who, by force or intimidation, has no choice but to work for another person. The NFL players have options other than playing in the NFL. They can go play in the CFL. They can play in the arena league. They can go and get real jobs outside of football.
No slave in any place and at any time in history had such power to choose his or her situation in life. The fact is that NFL players play in the NFL by choice. There is no comparison whatsoever between their situation and slavery.
I grant that playing in the NFL, by far, is the most favorable situation for the players in financial terms. There certainly is no other option for the players if they want to make the money that they do in the NFL. However, that is not the same as slavery, since they do have alternatives and slaves do not.
I find your comparison of NFL players to slaves (and anyone else's such comparison, even if it's the players themselves) to be quite offensive. A slave is someone who, by force or intimidation, has no choice but to work for another person. The NFL players have options other than playing in the NFL. They can go play in the CFL. They can play in the arena league. They can go and get real jobs outside of football.
No slave in any place and at any time in history had such power to choose his or her situation in life. The fact is that NFL players play in the NFL by choice. There is no comparison whatsoever between their situation and slavery.
I grant that playing in the NFL, by far, is the most favorable situation for the players in financial terms. There certainly is no other option for the players if they want to make the money that they do in the NFL. However, that is not the same as slavery, since they do have alternatives and slaves do not.
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written by GenoSid, January 04, 2011 - 10:22 AM
written by GenoSid, January 04, 2011 - 10:22 AM
I am constantly amazed at how bad this man is at his job.
He's clueless.
I don't know anyone who wants an 18 game schedule. All of the old records become meaningless. Brady's 50 TDs. 1,000 yard rushers. All become watered down or *'s.
I do agree that they need a rookie cap. That's obvious to anyone.
This guy Goodell makes Gary Bettman look like Abraham Lincoln. That's quite a task...
He's clueless.
I don't know anyone who wants an 18 game schedule. All of the old records become meaningless. Brady's 50 TDs. 1,000 yard rushers. All become watered down or *'s.
I do agree that they need a rookie cap. That's obvious to anyone.
This guy Goodell makes Gary Bettman look like Abraham Lincoln. That's quite a task...
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written by Danjitsu, January 04, 2011 - 02:01 PM
written by Danjitsu, January 04, 2011 - 02:01 PM
What a transparent and pathetic attempt at politics from a dictator with an over inflated opinion not only of self worth, but of that of his product. TV ratings have gone down for the last several years in a row, Mr. Goodell. Outside of Steeler games, I did not watch one single NFL game after about week 5 of this season myself. People will, and are getting sick of your product due to oversaturation. I expect they'll figure that out after it is far too late.
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written by gezmills, January 06, 2011 - 07:37 AM
written by gezmills, January 06, 2011 - 07:37 AM
wee willie wallace and jcp62
You are correct. I am mathematically challenged. I have the same group do my taxes that do them for Charles Wrangle, the congressman from New York.
While the overall numbers change, the idea does not. I still think it is a good idea to expand the number of teams, not the number of games. If they would add eight teams they could put four teams in Europe (Paris, London, Rome, and Berlin). That would minimize the amount of travel (six games would be within the European division. Leaving only ten games that would require extensive travel - some of those games could be scheduled around the bye week, etc. The other division could be LA, Sydney, Auckland, and Honolulu. (I an excluding Canada because of its impact on the Canadian football league and Mexico City because of the current war there.)
Goodell needs to come up with some great ideas not just recycling the same ones from a different era.
You are correct. I am mathematically challenged. I have the same group do my taxes that do them for Charles Wrangle, the congressman from New York.
While the overall numbers change, the idea does not. I still think it is a good idea to expand the number of teams, not the number of games. If they would add eight teams they could put four teams in Europe (Paris, London, Rome, and Berlin). That would minimize the amount of travel (six games would be within the European division. Leaving only ten games that would require extensive travel - some of those games could be scheduled around the bye week, etc. The other division could be LA, Sydney, Auckland, and Honolulu. (I an excluding Canada because of its impact on the Canadian football league and Mexico City because of the current war there.)
Goodell needs to come up with some great ideas not just recycling the same ones from a different era.
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A couple of thoughts:
By what measure? There weren't any chases of long-held individual records. Yesterday's conclusion to the season included very few games with playoff implications. A 7-9 team made the playoffs. While I love the NFL, this wasn't a season to remember.
As far as the salary structure goes, I have heard that the players want a system that doesn't reward rookies so much, either. But I have a question: how do you do that without just reducing salaries, overall?
We're seeing in baseball a disinterest in veterans as more and more teams look for low-cost young players. If you reduce the cost of rookies, won't NFL teams rely on young players even more than they already do?
I point this out only as another example of the disingenuity of Roger Goodell. He has no interest in helping veteran football players, he only wants to drive down payrolls.
This guy ... is not a good guy...