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Friday, 04 March 2011 17:00
John Clayton compared Cam Newton, Auburn's Heisman Trophy winning quarterback, to Ben Roethlisberger the other day and now Mike Sando of ESPN.com is doing the same, and drawing even more parallels.
They are not the same QB, but the similarities are there. One difference, as Sando points out, the team that drafts Newton won't have the support system in place that the Steelers had for Roethlisberger. Sando also wonders if Roethlisberger's first NFL offensive coordinator should be the coach that takes Newton in the draft.
By Mike Sando, ESPN.com
They stand 6-foot-5 and weigh more than 240 pounds. Both quarterbacks possess the strength and mobility to extend plays even after defenders latch onto them. They have strong arms, but both struggled with accuracy at the NFL scouting combine. Scouts thought both could have used more seasoning at the college level.
Ben Roethlisberger seemed like a solid citizen upon leaving Miami (Ohio), but character concerns cropped up once he reached the NFL. Cam Newton's character came into question before and during his brief career at Auburn. Both have run afoul of the law.
Roethlisberger struggled to read defenses early in his NFL career, a concern for Newton after two seasons as a college starter, including only one at the NCAA Division I level.
The similarities between Roethlisberger and Newton do not line up across the board. Newton has superior speed and raw running ability. Scouts thought Roethlisberger possessed strong leadership skills and an admirable work ethic in college. They sound less convinced about Newton on those fronts. Still, these quarterbacks share enough in common to make me wonder whether Roethlisberger's first offensive coordinator with the Steelers, Ken Whisenhunt, should view Newton as a similarly gifted prospect and someone his current team, the Arizona Cardinals, might consider drafting fifth overall this year.
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written by 123, March 04, 2011 - 03:36 PM
written by 123, March 04, 2011 - 03:36 PM
Enjoyed the read.
Not to be a Ben apologist but other than a citation for riding his bike with an expired permit (I think that was it) "running foul of the law" seems a little strong, doesn't it!
Think about it. Ben is 28 years old and has taken the Steelers to three SBs in his seven years. That's staggering when you think the Cleveland Browns HAVE NEVER been to a Super Bowl.
Not to be ant-Ben, but I don't know that you can say he ``took'' them to three Super Bowls. He's had some support, such as spectacular defense in 2008 and 2010. If he had the Cleveland Browns defense or at least 25 others, he'd have taken them nowhere. --- Bob Smizik
Not to be a Ben apologist but other than a citation for riding his bike with an expired permit (I think that was it) "running foul of the law" seems a little strong, doesn't it!
Think about it. Ben is 28 years old and has taken the Steelers to three SBs in his seven years. That's staggering when you think the Cleveland Browns HAVE NEVER been to a Super Bowl.
Not to be ant-Ben, but I don't know that you can say he ``took'' them to three Super Bowls. He's had some support, such as spectacular defense in 2008 and 2010. If he had the Cleveland Browns defense or at least 25 others, he'd have taken them nowhere. --- Bob Smizik
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written by BSwanson30, March 04, 2011 - 03:41 PM
See Jamarcus Russell.
I'd love to see the Bungels pick him.
I might like to see Whiz pick him as well. He'll be sure to get fired and be available as an OC for 2012.
written by BSwanson30, March 04, 2011 - 03:41 PM
See Jamarcus Russell.
I'd love to see the Bungels pick him.
I might like to see Whiz pick him as well. He'll be sure to get fired and be available as an OC for 2012.
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written by Naterosboro, March 04, 2011 - 03:49 PM
What? How are you comparing the two?
written by Naterosboro, March 04, 2011 - 03:49 PM
See Jamarcus Russell.
What? How are you comparing the two?
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written by Matt Alexander, March 04, 2011 - 03:52 PM
written by Matt Alexander, March 04, 2011 - 03:52 PM
I think that is pretty grossly unfair to make that comparison...
I mean, to the best of my knowledge Cam Newton hasn't been accused of anything as heinous as multiple sexual assaults. All he did was take money to play college football. Big deal. Oh, and Newton actually won his championship game this year.
I mean, to the best of my knowledge Cam Newton hasn't been accused of anything as heinous as multiple sexual assaults. All he did was take money to play college football. Big deal. Oh, and Newton actually won his championship game this year.
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written by BSwanson30, March 04, 2011 - 03:59 PM
written by BSwanson30, March 04, 2011 - 03:59 PM
written by Naterosboro, March 04, 2011 - 04:49 PM
See Jamarcus Russell.
What? How are you comparing the two?
1. Body Type
2. SEC QB's
3. "Big Arm" factor
4. Mostly college running QB's
5. 2 years or less starting in college
6. Lack of leadership qualities - see article
7. Lack of work ethic - see article
See Jamarcus Russell.
What? How are you comparing the two?
1. Body Type
2. SEC QB's
3. "Big Arm" factor
4. Mostly college running QB's
5. 2 years or less starting in college
6. Lack of leadership qualities - see article
7. Lack of work ethic - see article
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written by EllisAcidTrip, March 04, 2011 - 04:32 PM
written by EllisAcidTrip, March 04, 2011 - 04:32 PM
NO he is not Roethlisberger. Silly comparison. A physical threat to be sure, espescially on the run. He'll get eaten alive in his passing game, heck Oregon did a good job mitigating his passing game.
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written by STATONJM, March 04, 2011 - 04:52 PM
written by STATONJM, March 04, 2011 - 04:52 PM
Not to be ant-Ben, but I don't know that you can say he ``took'' them to three Super Bowls. He's had some support, such as spectacular defense in 2008 and 2010. If he had the Cleveland Browns defense or at least 25 others, he'd have taken them nowhere. --- Bob Smizik
Bob, I think you were too hard on blogger 123.
The reality is the Steelers had good defensive teams with Kordel Stewart, Bubby Brister, Neil O'Donnell, Mark Malone, Tommy Maddox and Cliff Stout.
Unfortunately, they won "0" Super Bowls with those quarterbacks.
In the NFL, it is nearly impossible to win a Super Bowl without an elite quarterback. The 85 Bears, 91 Giants, 2000 Ravens and 2002 Buccaneers are the exceptions.
It is not by chance that most multiple Super Bowl winners have the same quarterback. When that elite quarterback leaves, for some mysterious reason that team stops winning Super Bowls.
Without Aaron Rodgers, the Packers would have been beaten soundly by the Steelers. Here is a team that had no running game and still dominated because they had the best quarterback in the game.
So, yes, I agree. Ben Roethlisberger "took" the Steelers to 3 Super Bowls.
Bob, I think you were too hard on blogger 123.
The reality is the Steelers had good defensive teams with Kordel Stewart, Bubby Brister, Neil O'Donnell, Mark Malone, Tommy Maddox and Cliff Stout.
Unfortunately, they won "0" Super Bowls with those quarterbacks.
In the NFL, it is nearly impossible to win a Super Bowl without an elite quarterback. The 85 Bears, 91 Giants, 2000 Ravens and 2002 Buccaneers are the exceptions.
It is not by chance that most multiple Super Bowl winners have the same quarterback. When that elite quarterback leaves, for some mysterious reason that team stops winning Super Bowls.
Without Aaron Rodgers, the Packers would have been beaten soundly by the Steelers. Here is a team that had no running game and still dominated because they had the best quarterback in the game.
So, yes, I agree. Ben Roethlisberger "took" the Steelers to 3 Super Bowls.
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written by Dobreshunka, March 04, 2011 - 05:57 PM
written by Dobreshunka, March 04, 2011 - 05:57 PM
I'm on board with BSwanson 30 and EllisAcidTrip on this one. He runs too much. Plus my years of experience tell me that when a QB comes out of college and receives this much hype, there's a 99% probability he'll be a bust...I know it's not scientific, but it usually holds true.
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written by BayouHoward, March 04, 2011 - 06:05 PM
written by BayouHoward, March 04, 2011 - 06:05 PM
How about going with the next Roethlisberger instead of the last Roethlisberger. Newton is younger and has a lot fewer miles on him. Why not trade Big Ben for the top pick in the draft?
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written by DEMERY 44, March 04, 2011 - 06:15 PM
written by DEMERY 44, March 04, 2011 - 06:15 PM
He might be the next Big Ben.
If he plays terrible in 2 of 3 Super Bowls.
If he plays terrible in 2 of 3 Super Bowls.
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written by DEMERY 44, March 04, 2011 - 06:17 PM
written by DEMERY 44, March 04, 2011 - 06:17 PM
He might be the next Big Ben.
If he can't read defenses and can't throw from the pocket.
If he can't read defenses and can't throw from the pocket.
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written by Scooter, March 04, 2011 - 06:29 PM
written by Scooter, March 04, 2011 - 06:29 PM
We just don't know. These are human beings; making future predictions about their playing abilities is very difficult. Of course, that's the fun of it, too.
Highly unlikely that Newton will be the next Ben. Only because the odds are against it. Not very many get to the top of the pile, or near the top of the pile, as Ben is.
Maybe the next Donovan McNabb? Big, strong, athletic QB who can tuck it under his arm. That's still a pretty good pedigree.
I have to agree with Bob. Yes, Ben played very well leading up to SB XL and XLIII, and in SB XLIII, and as the most important player on the team, we don't go anywhere without him. I even think his performance in SB XL is underrated.
But he didn't take us to the SB. If he was the QB of Cleveland, they still sit at home in early February (as would we). It's a team game - I can remember big game performances by Ward, Harrison, Polamalu etc in all those playoff victories - take them away, and we don't go anywhere either.
You need a good QB to win, but if that's all you have, you still don't win. Some good QB's have been mired on mediocre teams, without any titles to show for it.
Highly unlikely that Newton will be the next Ben. Only because the odds are against it. Not very many get to the top of the pile, or near the top of the pile, as Ben is.
Maybe the next Donovan McNabb? Big, strong, athletic QB who can tuck it under his arm. That's still a pretty good pedigree.
I have to agree with Bob. Yes, Ben played very well leading up to SB XL and XLIII, and in SB XLIII, and as the most important player on the team, we don't go anywhere without him. I even think his performance in SB XL is underrated.
But he didn't take us to the SB. If he was the QB of Cleveland, they still sit at home in early February (as would we). It's a team game - I can remember big game performances by Ward, Harrison, Polamalu etc in all those playoff victories - take them away, and we don't go anywhere either.
You need a good QB to win, but if that's all you have, you still don't win. Some good QB's have been mired on mediocre teams, without any titles to show for it.
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written by Scooter, March 04, 2011 - 06:32 PM
written by Scooter, March 04, 2011 - 06:32 PM
More importantly, Bob - Houston's catcher is out for the season.
If Houston will take 50% or more of Doumit's contract, do the Bucs trade him to a division competitor?
If Houston will take 50% or more of Doumit's contract, do the Bucs trade him to a division competitor?
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written by Yotzee, March 04, 2011 - 06:36 PM
written by Yotzee, March 04, 2011 - 06:36 PM
Might be the next Roethlisberger, could also be the next Daunte Culpepper....we shall see.
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written by burgh1972, March 04, 2011 - 06:57 PM
written by burgh1972, March 04, 2011 - 06:57 PM
Don't remember the conservations when BB came out about him not being able to read defenses, being able to take the snap from center, having terrible footwork or being able to do a 5 or 7 step drop. BB was much more polished of a prospect.
As stated by another blogger, the comparison of Newton to Russell is more in realistic: little experience, big arms, lot's of basic training needed.
I think Clayton did this because of the publicity BB got last off season and Newton's issues. That and their the same size and can move. Weak attempt by Clayton. Usually expect more thought from him.
As stated by another blogger, the comparison of Newton to Russell is more in realistic: little experience, big arms, lot's of basic training needed.
I think Clayton did this because of the publicity BB got last off season and Newton's issues. That and their the same size and can move. Weak attempt by Clayton. Usually expect more thought from him.
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written by Scoop_Jr, March 04, 2011 - 07:12 PM
written by Scoop_Jr, March 04, 2011 - 07:12 PM
Bob is short selling the importance of Ben to the Steelers success, but this is not the first time.
How many Super Bowls did Bubby Brister play in? Kordell Stewart? Tommy Maddox?
He is an unorthodox QB in many ways, but the guy is a winner.
Cam Newton? Vince Young 2.0
How many Super Bowls did Bubby Brister play in? Kordell Stewart? Tommy Maddox?
He is an unorthodox QB in many ways, but the guy is a winner.
Cam Newton? Vince Young 2.0
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written by Hanover Bill, March 04, 2011 - 09:01 PM
written by Hanover Bill, March 04, 2011 - 09:01 PM
A better comparison might be JaMarcus Russell and Cam Newton. The warning signs are everywhere with Cam Newton, he is a "buyer beware" pick. I agree with the Arizona personel man, if you are taking a quarterback in the first five, or even ten picks, you had better be sure he is the man, on and off the field.
I don't think we are going to see another Roethlisberger for a while. Putting aside his off field indescretions, Ben is a unique talent. I seriously doubt that Cam Newton could fill his shoes.
I don't think we are going to see another Roethlisberger for a while. Putting aside his off field indescretions, Ben is a unique talent. I seriously doubt that Cam Newton could fill his shoes.
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written by PITTallTheWay, March 04, 2011 - 10:02 PM
written by PITTallTheWay, March 04, 2011 - 10:02 PM
Although Big Ben did not play well in 2 of three Super Bowls, he played well to get them there. Without him, there would likely not be any Super Bowls....
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written by pens22, March 04, 2011 - 10:20 PM
written by pens22, March 04, 2011 - 10:20 PM
Frankly I do not even understand the pretense of the article and comparison. Outside of their respective physical measurements, Newton and Big Ben have very little in common and I fail to see how Ben's success would serve as precursor for Newton's.
1) Newton played at a major conference (SEC) and in a running and passing spread offense. Ben played in the MAC in a Pro Style Passing offense.
2) Ben had no "character" or "team" questions coming out of Miami,OH , Newton has plenty.
3) People always say Ben was drafted into a great team, well that "great team" was drafting with the 11th overall pick for a reason.
I am not here to predict Newton's success or lack thereof in the NFL but I assure you it will have nothing to do with what Ben has done his first 7 years in the league. Speaking of Ben, he has DEFINITELY led the Steelers to 3 Super Bowls. I think everyone would agree that Aaron Rodgers led GB to the SB this year yet they do not even get out of the wildcard round if their defense does not shut down the Eagles and Mike Vick. Would Tom Brady have won 3 SB's with the Cleveland Defense? Football is a team game but the QB must make plays to get to the SB and Ben did in each of his 3 SB trips.
1) Newton played at a major conference (SEC) and in a running and passing spread offense. Ben played in the MAC in a Pro Style Passing offense.
2) Ben had no "character" or "team" questions coming out of Miami,OH , Newton has plenty.
3) People always say Ben was drafted into a great team, well that "great team" was drafting with the 11th overall pick for a reason.
I am not here to predict Newton's success or lack thereof in the NFL but I assure you it will have nothing to do with what Ben has done his first 7 years in the league. Speaking of Ben, he has DEFINITELY led the Steelers to 3 Super Bowls. I think everyone would agree that Aaron Rodgers led GB to the SB this year yet they do not even get out of the wildcard round if their defense does not shut down the Eagles and Mike Vick. Would Tom Brady have won 3 SB's with the Cleveland Defense? Football is a team game but the QB must make plays to get to the SB and Ben did in each of his 3 SB trips.
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written by GenoSid, March 04, 2011 - 10:23 PM
written by GenoSid, March 04, 2011 - 10:23 PM
"written by 123, March 04, 2011 - 04:36 PM
Enjoyed the read.
Not to be a Ben apologist but other than a citation for riding his bike with an expired permit (I think that was it) "running foul of the law" seems a little strong, doesn't it!"
This is TMZ's America.
Innocent until proven guilty is such a quaint little notion.
Also, I thought Ben's CRIME was "failure to yield."
That hooligan.
Enjoyed the read.
Not to be a Ben apologist but other than a citation for riding his bike with an expired permit (I think that was it) "running foul of the law" seems a little strong, doesn't it!"
This is TMZ's America.
Innocent until proven guilty is such a quaint little notion.
Also, I thought Ben's CRIME was "failure to yield."
That hooligan.
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written by PittsburghSportsRocker, March 05, 2011 - 12:10 AM
written by PittsburghSportsRocker, March 05, 2011 - 12:10 AM
I agree scoop, I think he will be another Vince Young. Great athlete with nothing upstairs. He'll be a bust in the league.
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written by bngfan95, March 05, 2011 - 06:14 AM
written by bngfan95, March 05, 2011 - 06:14 AM
My memory could be as faulty as anyone elses but:
1- I don't remember BB playing in a pro style offense @ Miami. I thought the knock/concern on him was not only the small school label, but the used to getting behind center versus shotgun formation.
2- Newton and Russell have no where near the same body type. I don't think Russell could EVER have been accused of running a 4.59 25 yard dash, let alone a 40.
3-If you thought Russell was a "running" qb at LSU either you never saw him play, or don't understand what a running qb is.
4-How do we know that the laptop thing, the cheating thing, etc are true. The $$ thing from MSU, Auburn seems to have been validated (even if you buy he didn't know anything about it), but the other stuff was supposedly in sealed records. Until someone brings proof that this stuff transpired, I think it best to consider them allegations at best.
5-I believe even the golden child (Peyton) had an issue that came out from his UT days. Often not talked about anymore.
All that being said, don't take any qb high (top 10-15) unless you feel he is your franchise guy. It is just too tough to recover from a bad choice if you are not sold on him completely. Some of the guys it is better for them to drop into better situations for development. If you think he is the one, you have to take him, as you need a qb to have sustained success in the NFL.
1- I don't remember BB playing in a pro style offense @ Miami. I thought the knock/concern on him was not only the small school label, but the used to getting behind center versus shotgun formation.
2- Newton and Russell have no where near the same body type. I don't think Russell could EVER have been accused of running a 4.59 25 yard dash, let alone a 40.
3-If you thought Russell was a "running" qb at LSU either you never saw him play, or don't understand what a running qb is.
4-How do we know that the laptop thing, the cheating thing, etc are true. The $$ thing from MSU, Auburn seems to have been validated (even if you buy he didn't know anything about it), but the other stuff was supposedly in sealed records. Until someone brings proof that this stuff transpired, I think it best to consider them allegations at best.
5-I believe even the golden child (Peyton) had an issue that came out from his UT days. Often not talked about anymore.
All that being said, don't take any qb high (top 10-15) unless you feel he is your franchise guy. It is just too tough to recover from a bad choice if you are not sold on him completely. Some of the guys it is better for them to drop into better situations for development. If you think he is the one, you have to take him, as you need a qb to have sustained success in the NFL.
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written by Retire#21, March 05, 2011 - 06:15 AM
written by Retire#21, March 05, 2011 - 06:15 AM
Maybe Newton's dad will finally get a chance to master his craft and pre-negotiate terms with the highest bidder for his son...only this time he could do it legally. See, college is really the place where you learn your career path...in this case for both father and son.
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written by SonnyDrysdale, March 05, 2011 - 06:23 AM
written by SonnyDrysdale, March 05, 2011 - 06:23 AM
Both men are large, one is white the other black.
Ben played a lot more college ball than Newton, and played behind center and in the shot gun. Newton is strictly in the shotgun. Until Cam Newton starts in the NFL there is no comparison. I remember watching Ben in person for Miami, he looked like a man among boys. That was in the MAC, Newton played in the SEC, and he did play well. I think Ben was more polished at draft day than Newton.
As for the off the field escapades of both men, please lets get away from that dead horse.
Bill Cowher didn't want to draft Ben, he wanted a lineman and Dan Rooney stepped in and wanted Ben.
Just think of that for a minute, Cowher always had problems with QBs, he never knew what to do with them. (Jim Miller??) ring a bell?
So in conclusion, Ben won his first 14 games, with an above average team. But remember the Steelers were horrible in 2003, that's why they got BR at #11.
Ben played a lot more college ball than Newton, and played behind center and in the shot gun. Newton is strictly in the shotgun. Until Cam Newton starts in the NFL there is no comparison. I remember watching Ben in person for Miami, he looked like a man among boys. That was in the MAC, Newton played in the SEC, and he did play well. I think Ben was more polished at draft day than Newton.
As for the off the field escapades of both men, please lets get away from that dead horse.
Bill Cowher didn't want to draft Ben, he wanted a lineman and Dan Rooney stepped in and wanted Ben.
Just think of that for a minute, Cowher always had problems with QBs, he never knew what to do with them. (Jim Miller??) ring a bell?
So in conclusion, Ben won his first 14 games, with an above average team. But remember the Steelers were horrible in 2003, that's why they got BR at #11.
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written by BUCCS72, March 05, 2011 - 07:00 AM
written by BUCCS72, March 05, 2011 - 07:00 AM
Come on Bob...surely you are just trying to stir the pot a bit with your come back on Big Ben.
Ben didn't lead the Steelers to three SB's??? Football is a team game...some say the ultimate team game....so ok...Ben didn't single handedly lead the Steelers to three SB's.
Do you think the great Tom Brady...who by the way played poorly in his playoff game against the Jets and probably his last several playof games...would have taken this year's Cleve Brownies to the promised land??? Peyton Manning??? Drew Brees??? even the now proclaimed great Aaron Rogers??? Joe Montana??? Any other great QB of all time??? No.
At this point...comparing Newton to Big Ben should end at their size comparisons. Newton is an interesting prospect (one poster suggested trading Big Ben for Newton??? Are you kidding me???).....
But we all know the hit rate on prospect QB's...even great prospect QB's becoming future HOF QB's which Big Ben already is. Does Carson Palmer and a long string of others come to mind???
I was not trying to stir the pot, I was taking my long-held stance against the belief that all things good and bad go back to the QB. -- Bob Smizik
Ben didn't lead the Steelers to three SB's??? Football is a team game...some say the ultimate team game....so ok...Ben didn't single handedly lead the Steelers to three SB's.
Do you think the great Tom Brady...who by the way played poorly in his playoff game against the Jets and probably his last several playof games...would have taken this year's Cleve Brownies to the promised land??? Peyton Manning??? Drew Brees??? even the now proclaimed great Aaron Rogers??? Joe Montana??? Any other great QB of all time??? No.
At this point...comparing Newton to Big Ben should end at their size comparisons. Newton is an interesting prospect (one poster suggested trading Big Ben for Newton??? Are you kidding me???).....
But we all know the hit rate on prospect QB's...even great prospect QB's becoming future HOF QB's which Big Ben already is. Does Carson Palmer and a long string of others come to mind???
I was not trying to stir the pot, I was taking my long-held stance against the belief that all things good and bad go back to the QB. -- Bob Smizik
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written by icechips, March 05, 2011 - 07:01 AM
written by icechips, March 05, 2011 - 07:01 AM
The first thing i got to say is get rid of the political correctness. Is Newton black? What black QB won a Super Bowl besides Williams with the Skins when they had the Hogs and Joe Gibbs and that awesome running back out of Kansas Reggans. They can't think on their feet.Williams threw 5 passes that game and the rest were runs.
Wow! It's been some time since I've seen something as blatantly racist is these comments. ``They can't think on their feet.''
You, sir, are an idiot.
I should have deleted your words but I think it's better for everyone to see the work of an idiot. --- Bob Smizik
Wow! It's been some time since I've seen something as blatantly racist is these comments. ``They can't think on their feet.''
You, sir, are an idiot.
I should have deleted your words but I think it's better for everyone to see the work of an idiot. --- Bob Smizik
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written by STATONJM, March 05, 2011 - 11:55 AM
written by STATONJM, March 05, 2011 - 11:55 AM
Wow! It's been some time since I've seen something as blatantly racist is these comments. ``They can't think on their feet.''
You, sir, are an idiot.
I should have deleted your words but I think it's better for everyone to see the work of an idiot. --- Bob Smizik
Thanks Bob. You had me worried. I couldn't understand why you would let a white supremacist on your blog.
Your logic makes sense. Sometimes we have to be reminded that the world has some really sick people spewing hatred.
You, sir, are an idiot.
I should have deleted your words but I think it's better for everyone to see the work of an idiot. --- Bob Smizik
Thanks Bob. You had me worried. I couldn't understand why you would let a white supremacist on your blog.
Your logic makes sense. Sometimes we have to be reminded that the world has some really sick people spewing hatred.
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written by nycrob, March 05, 2011 - 12:29 PM
written by nycrob, March 05, 2011 - 12:29 PM
There is a zero percent chance that anyone would trade the #1 pick for Ben. But I'm not sure Cam will be the #1 pick. I think consensus is he won't be the first QB taken.
Matt A, great post.
The 85 Bears, 91 Giants, 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs are the exceptions? Are Phil Simms, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Eli Manning great QB's? Call me when any of them are in the hall. It seems that how important a great QB is depends on whether you consider Ben a great QB. If he's in the not category (and other than wins, a team concept, it's easy to argue that's where he belongs), since '85, 10/25 would be by good, OK or worse QB's. I agree, it's almost impossible with a bad QB (O'Donnell, Maddox, Stewart, etc.).
Matt A, great post.
The 85 Bears, 91 Giants, 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs are the exceptions? Are Phil Simms, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Eli Manning great QB's? Call me when any of them are in the hall. It seems that how important a great QB is depends on whether you consider Ben a great QB. If he's in the not category (and other than wins, a team concept, it's easy to argue that's where he belongs), since '85, 10/25 would be by good, OK or worse QB's. I agree, it's almost impossible with a bad QB (O'Donnell, Maddox, Stewart, etc.).
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written by lech112, March 05, 2011 - 06:15 PM
written by lech112, March 05, 2011 - 06:15 PM
If Newton is the next Roethlisberger, wouldn't you draft him #1? I would: http://bit.ly/NFLMockDraft3
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written by Rook, March 05, 2011 - 07:41 PM
written by Rook, March 05, 2011 - 07:41 PM
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Wow! It's been some time since I've seen something as blatantly racist is these comments. ``They can't think on their feet.''
You, sir, are an idiot.
I should have deleted your words but I think it's better for everyone to see the work of an idiot. --- Bob Smizik
Considering you run a sports blog you could consider yourself lucky that these posts are few and far between.
If Cam is similar to Big Ben then it will be interesting to see what Ben's career would have been like if the Bengals drafted him. I don't think Brady or Brees could excel on the Bengals let alone Cam.
Wow! It's been some time since I've seen something as blatantly racist is these comments. ``They can't think on their feet.''
You, sir, are an idiot.
I should have deleted your words but I think it's better for everyone to see the work of an idiot. --- Bob Smizik
Considering you run a sports blog you could consider yourself lucky that these posts are few and far between.
If Cam is similar to Big Ben then it will be interesting to see what Ben's career would have been like if the Bengals drafted him. I don't think Brady or Brees could excel on the Bengals let alone Cam.
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written by joerevs300, March 06, 2011 - 09:44 AM
written by joerevs300, March 06, 2011 - 09:44 AM
Come on Bob...you know what ESPN is in the business for, and that's to generate ratings and money.
Stating some as stupid as Newton could follow Big Ben's path at the very least gets debate going, again, which drives traffic to their website and TV shows.
Look, Tim Tebow was one of the most successful QB's in college football history and likely will do next to nothing in the NFL. Today's offenses are built for guys coming out of pro style offenses in college. Auburn wasn't even close to that. Combine that with Newton's allegations swirling around him still, and his Scouting Combine performance, and I've seen all I need to see.
And yes, that other guy is an idiot talking about Doug Williams and such. It's a free country to say what you want but I've always said freedom of speech comes with responsibility.
My guess: Newton goes in the Top 10, and finds the going in the NFL is not as easy as the SEC.
Stating some as stupid as Newton could follow Big Ben's path at the very least gets debate going, again, which drives traffic to their website and TV shows.
Look, Tim Tebow was one of the most successful QB's in college football history and likely will do next to nothing in the NFL. Today's offenses are built for guys coming out of pro style offenses in college. Auburn wasn't even close to that. Combine that with Newton's allegations swirling around him still, and his Scouting Combine performance, and I've seen all I need to see.
And yes, that other guy is an idiot talking about Doug Williams and such. It's a free country to say what you want but I've always said freedom of speech comes with responsibility.
My guess: Newton goes in the Top 10, and finds the going in the NFL is not as easy as the SEC.
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written by DivineHammer, March 06, 2011 - 01:15 PM
written by DivineHammer, March 06, 2011 - 01:15 PM
Stating some as stupid as Newton could follow Big Ben's path at the very least gets debate going, again, which drives traffic to their website and TV shows.
Look, Tim Tebow was one of the most successful QB's in college football history and likely will do next to nothing in the NFL.
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First off, unless you are clairvoyant you cannot back up those two statements with anything resembling facts.....talk about irresponsible.
Secondly,the NFL is actually moving towards big mobile quarterbacks rather than traditional pro-style statues..........
Look, Tim Tebow was one of the most successful QB's in college football history and likely will do next to nothing in the NFL.
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First off, unless you are clairvoyant you cannot back up those two statements with anything resembling facts.....talk about irresponsible.
Secondly,the NFL is actually moving towards big mobile quarterbacks rather than traditional pro-style statues..........
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Although from what I have read, he would fit right in with them