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Monday, 13 February 2012 14:30
It’s a fun game. No one is right. No one is wrong. It’s all a matter of opinion.
What if you were in charge of an NFL contending team and had the choice of adding any quarterback to your roster. Who would you take?
This is a one-year arrangement. No need to worry about age, no need to worry about the future. You’ve got one year to run your franchise. and who do you want as your quarterback? Which quarterback has the best chance of making your one season a championship one?
Allow me to be the first to play the What-If Game today.
I’ve scanned the list. Aaron Rodgers is tempting. Some call him the best in the game. He had an amazing passer rating of 122.5 with 45 touchdowns, six interceptions. Extraordinary.
Then there’s Drew Brees, who led the NFL in passing yards, 5,476 and percentage of completions, 71.2. Like Rodgers, he’s a Super Bowl champion.
Ben Roethlisberger can‘t be overlooked. He’s got two Super Bowl rings and has been to three of the games. He’s tough as nails and turns sacks into touchdowns.
But I will pass on Rodgers, Brees and Roethlisberger, as well as Eli Manning and Matthew Stafford, both of whom were given consideration.
No, my guy is Tom Brady. Three Super Bowl championship, five times in the game.
His numbers are not as gaudy as Rodgers‘, although he did throw for over 5,000 yards this season and was second to Brees.
Brady is taking some heat for losing in the Super Bowl this year. I give him a ton of credit for getting there with that team. There were something like 18 undrafted free agents on the Patriots, eight of them starters. The defense was awful -- 31st in the league. The running game, 20th in the league, was ordinary. He carried that team on his back to the playoffs.
Here’s why I want Brady. He’s cool, he’s tough and he can win in different circumstances. He’s done it with a variety of supporting casts. He’s done it with Randy Moss. He’s done it with Wes Welker, who was a nobody until he teamed up with Brady. He’s done it with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez -- two tight ends.
No other quarterback in the NFL could have got the Patriots to the Super Bowl with the collection of talent the Patriots had. That’s why he’s my quarterback.
Who’s yours?
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written by PittsburghSportsRocker, February 13, 2012 - 12:39 PM
written by PittsburghSportsRocker, February 13, 2012 - 12:39 PM
Aaron Rodgers. Obviously he is terrific passer but he can also hurt you by scrambling and keeping plays alive. We've seen it here how great of an asset a scrambling QB can be.
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written by genius, February 13, 2012 - 12:41 PM
written by genius, February 13, 2012 - 12:41 PM
I'm sticking with Roethlisberger. Here's hoping he gets a top-level O-Line before he gets too far down the far side of his career. I think he'd be unstoppable with better protection.
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written by Darkhorses, February 13, 2012 - 12:44 PM
written by Darkhorses, February 13, 2012 - 12:44 PM
Tough one. I would probably say Brady but he still has that cloud over him. That is he's done it with video tape. Second choice is Brees.
All time I'd take Staubach. Game was never over with him in there.
All time I'd take Staubach. Game was never over with him in there.
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written by aglebagel, February 13, 2012 - 12:55 PM
written by aglebagel, February 13, 2012 - 12:55 PM
Obviously very difficult call, but I'm going Rodgers as well. All the passing prowess plus scrambling ability, and could still be getting better, if that's possible.
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written by johnharding, February 13, 2012 - 12:57 PM
written by johnharding, February 13, 2012 - 12:57 PM
I would go with Peyton Manning. I know he is shaky in the playoffs. BUT there is no better quarterback willing to study the game and take control of a team. plus this year he has something to prove.
If manning does not play then yes, i would go for tom brady. He is our generation's joe montana and ranks up there in the top 5 quarterbacks of all time...if not the best.
If manning does not play then yes, i would go for tom brady. He is our generation's joe montana and ranks up there in the top 5 quarterbacks of all time...if not the best.
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written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 12:57 PM
written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 12:57 PM
Drew Brees, but it's close between him and Brady. There is nothing more that Brees could have done against the 49ers and that loss is totally on the defense. I believe they would have won the Super Bowl if they get past SF.
Brees makes more ridiculously accurate throws than anyone in football.
Brees makes more ridiculously accurate throws than anyone in football.
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written by AHab35, February 13, 2012 - 12:59 PM
written by AHab35, February 13, 2012 - 12:59 PM
I'm assuming I can't take Cliff Stoudt, Bubby Brister or Tommy Maddox?
In the hypothetical word, I will go with Rodgers. He has all the passing skills and he also has the same athleticism and ability to extent plays we see from Ben. Plus he can get me discounts on car insurance.
In real life however I'm more than happy with #7 in black in gold.
In the hypothetical word, I will go with Rodgers. He has all the passing skills and he also has the same athleticism and ability to extent plays we see from Ben. Plus he can get me discounts on car insurance.
In real life however I'm more than happy with #7 in black in gold.
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written by botka, February 13, 2012 - 12:59 PM
written by botka, February 13, 2012 - 12:59 PM
Brady all day long for the reasons Bob stated. Rodgers second. Brees third. Maybe Eli after that. The would be a pick em.
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written by alexpo, February 13, 2012 - 01:01 PM
written by alexpo, February 13, 2012 - 01:01 PM
I would take Drew Brees.
Brady is good (and still good), but he's past his prime. Other than a drive at the end of the half and beginning of the half against the Giants, he didn't do much. Brees totally destroyed the Giants this year. (And don't forget, Brady played those same Giants and lost a couple weeks before Brees destroyed them).
Brady is good (and still good), but he's past his prime. Other than a drive at the end of the half and beginning of the half against the Giants, he didn't do much. Brees totally destroyed the Giants this year. (And don't forget, Brady played those same Giants and lost a couple weeks before Brees destroyed them).
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written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 01:06 PM
written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 01:06 PM
Roethlisberger does not belong in this discussion.
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written by Steelcity, February 13, 2012 - 01:06 PM
written by Steelcity, February 13, 2012 - 01:06 PM
Bob, this is fun but it's not fun that you keep on saying that NE got to the Superbowl despite their 31st ranked defense. I can honestly say that NE couldn't have played better in the Superbowl and the defense was not the reason NE lost.
My quarterback would be Tim Tebow. His desire to win is unmatched. He may not have all the skills for throwing a football but he's got everything else. A quarterback that can run for a first down is all you look for. Brady can't run.
My quarterback would be Tim Tebow. His desire to win is unmatched. He may not have all the skills for throwing a football but he's got everything else. A quarterback that can run for a first down is all you look for. Brady can't run.
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written by Retire#21, February 13, 2012 - 01:08 PM
written by Retire#21, February 13, 2012 - 01:08 PM
Bob, something must be wrong. You didn't include Joe Flacco on your list. I read somewhere recently that somebody thinks he is elite.
I take Aaron Rodgers. While I agree that nobody does more with less better than Brady, the Steelers eventually figured out how to defense the Patriots. They still have not figured out how to stop Green Bay.
I take Aaron Rodgers. While I agree that nobody does more with less better than Brady, the Steelers eventually figured out how to defense the Patriots. They still have not figured out how to stop Green Bay.
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written by Meathead, February 13, 2012 - 01:09 PM
written by Meathead, February 13, 2012 - 01:09 PM
Quarterback? Who's your offensive coordinator?
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written by kelso6, February 13, 2012 - 01:12 PM
written by kelso6, February 13, 2012 - 01:12 PM
I'm with Bob if we're selecting Tom Brady 8 years ago. Otherwise I'll take Aaron Rodgers
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written by Hell Unleashed, February 13, 2012 - 01:15 PM
written by Hell Unleashed, February 13, 2012 - 01:15 PM
UGH! The Brady Bromances are sickening. I think I threw up a little just reading them.
I would say Brees or Rodgers. I would take either.
I would say Brees or Rodgers. I would take either.
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written by heartbeatsings, February 13, 2012 - 01:16 PM
I take Ben for 3 reasons:
1--I'm a homer.
2--Ben is the QB I've seen the most of
3--You are literally never out of the game with Ben.
written by heartbeatsings, February 13, 2012 - 01:16 PM
I take Ben for 3 reasons:
1--I'm a homer.
2--Ben is the QB I've seen the most of
3--You are literally never out of the game with Ben.
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written by Retire#21, February 13, 2012 - 01:30 PM
written by Retire#21, February 13, 2012 - 01:30 PM
Heartbeat, they sure looked out of that opener in Baltimore.
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written by Illinois Steeler, February 13, 2012 - 01:33 PM
written by Illinois Steeler, February 13, 2012 - 01:33 PM
As much as I respect Big Ben I also have to question whether he belongs in this game.
If the question was "Which QB would you take down by 4 with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl" then yeah, Ben would have to be a choice.
But for an entire season?
I've seen Ben have too many bad games.
Now maybe that's because Arians was a knucklehead.
We'll see this year.
And I'd be happy to pick Ben.
Otherwise I would probably go with Brees or Rodgers. You can't go with Brady because he is 0-2 since caught cheating.
If the question was "Which QB would you take down by 4 with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl" then yeah, Ben would have to be a choice.
But for an entire season?
I've seen Ben have too many bad games.
Now maybe that's because Arians was a knucklehead.
We'll see this year.
And I'd be happy to pick Ben.
Otherwise I would probably go with Brees or Rodgers. You can't go with Brady because he is 0-2 since caught cheating.
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written by Fat Jimmy, February 13, 2012 - 01:34 PM
written by Fat Jimmy, February 13, 2012 - 01:34 PM
I'm with Bob -- it's between Rodgers and Brady in my book. Rodgers was pretty spectacular this season, even after being spectacular the year before. I could go either way, but I think I'd take Rodgers. He can run. He's got a stronger arm than Brady. Brady tempts me because of the 3 rings and the aura that's around him (he may be the best of all time), but I think, for 2012-2013, I'd take Rodgers.
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written by buccs1960, February 13, 2012 - 01:36 PM
written by buccs1960, February 13, 2012 - 01:36 PM
A few years back the Pats lost Brady for the year. Did the team fold up? No they went 11-5 or 10-6. I can't remember and I'm too lazy to look it up. It would seem that Brady isn't necessary to the Pats success. He is more a product of their success than the reason. People stop living in the past. He is the most over-rated QB of all-time.
Rodgers today is by and far the best QB period. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go get their head examined.
Rodgers today is by and far the best QB period. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go get their head examined.
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written by Leaseman, February 13, 2012 - 01:38 PM
written by Leaseman, February 13, 2012 - 01:38 PM
Drew Brees...tough, smart, great arm, great instincts...the ultimate playmaker...
I disagree about Brady...I do not think he is tough...knock him down a few times and you throw his whole game off...plus he's a whiner...touch his foot, throw the flag!...if he had to endure half of the hits that Ben had to take the last couple of years he would be out of the league...
I disagree about Brady...I do not think he is tough...knock him down a few times and you throw his whole game off...plus he's a whiner...touch his foot, throw the flag!...if he had to endure half of the hits that Ben had to take the last couple of years he would be out of the league...
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written by heartbeatsings, February 13, 2012 - 01:39 PM
So much of Brady's success depends on players executing the system to precision. Everything he does works off of that. When a play breaks down, he knows what Welker will do. I don't know that he could get to a championship level in one season with
all new players.
With Ben, that's not an issue. The system is "Just get open and I'll throw it to you."
written by heartbeatsings, February 13, 2012 - 01:39 PM
So much of Brady's success depends on players executing the system to precision. Everything he does works off of that. When a play breaks down, he knows what Welker will do. I don't know that he could get to a championship level in one season with
all new players.
With Ben, that's not an issue. The system is "Just get open and I'll throw it to you."
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written by Naje, February 13, 2012 - 01:48 PM
written by Naje, February 13, 2012 - 01:48 PM
Bob,
You can have Tom "Mr. FG-getter" Brady. I want a guy who can score touchdowns. In big games. At the end of games.
Can you name the last time Tom Brady led his team on a touchdown drive in a big game like a Super Bowl or a championship game? You can't.
See, Brady's greatness lies more in his team and his team's schedule than you think. His passing is terrific. Extremely accurate. Great competitor.
But for all his greatness, alas, he's never closed the deal in a big post-season game with a touchdown.
Supe 36 v. St. Louis: drive for a 48yd fg.
Supe 38 v. Carolina: drive for a 40yd fg.
Supe 42 v. NYG: last drive failed. Miserably.
Supe 46 v. NYG: last drive failed.
Go ahead, you take Brady. I'll take Rogers.
You can have Tom "Mr. FG-getter" Brady. I want a guy who can score touchdowns. In big games. At the end of games.
Can you name the last time Tom Brady led his team on a touchdown drive in a big game like a Super Bowl or a championship game? You can't.
See, Brady's greatness lies more in his team and his team's schedule than you think. His passing is terrific. Extremely accurate. Great competitor.
But for all his greatness, alas, he's never closed the deal in a big post-season game with a touchdown.
Supe 36 v. St. Louis: drive for a 48yd fg.
Supe 38 v. Carolina: drive for a 40yd fg.
Supe 42 v. NYG: last drive failed. Miserably.
Supe 46 v. NYG: last drive failed.
Go ahead, you take Brady. I'll take Rogers.
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written by wolfeman44, February 13, 2012 - 01:50 PM
Well, Ben was down 6 late in the 4th against GB in SB45.
written by wolfeman44, February 13, 2012 - 01:50 PM
written by Illinois Steeler, February 13, 2012 - 02:33 PM
If the question was "Which QB would you take down by 4 with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl" then yeah, Ben would have to be a choice.
Well, Ben was down 6 late in the 4th against GB in SB45.
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written by epiballo, February 13, 2012 - 01:56 PM
written by epiballo, February 13, 2012 - 01:56 PM
I would go with Rogers or Big Ben, for the simple reason that they have stronger arms and can extend plays. Brady is very ordinary outside the pocket. I remember the one play in the Super Bowl where he broke away from a sack, rolled out, and threw an interception. With Big Ben and Rogers, the play is never over. Of course, if Ryan Leaf was still playing ...
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written by roger roger, February 13, 2012 - 01:56 PM
I would take Brees.
The Saints were nothing before him, save for a few good years in the 80's.
They are a force now.
And to think Miami signed Culpepper over Brees. Wow.
Second choice:
Ben.
May not be the greatest, but he wins.
written by roger roger, February 13, 2012 - 01:56 PM
I would take Brees.
The Saints were nothing before him, save for a few good years in the 80's.
They are a force now.
And to think Miami signed Culpepper over Brees. Wow.
Second choice:
Ben.
May not be the greatest, but he wins.
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written by Hanover Bill, February 13, 2012 - 01:57 PM
Agree with you Bob, it's Brady all the way. He has proven it over the long haul, he is no flash in the pan. All of the QBs mentioned are terrific players but when it comes right down to it how could you not pick Brady?
Big Ben does not get consideration from me simply because of his style of play, chances are too great that Ben would finish the season watching from the sidelines, or worse yet, a hospital bed. Hopefully Todd Haley can reign him in a little, and make a more traditional QB out of him, it is imperative at his age.
The others are all great QBs but none of them measures up to Brady right now.
By the way, did everyone see Belichick in his hoodie at Pebble Beach, got to give it to the guy, he is consistent if nothing else, he brought a whole new level of fashion sense to the PGA Tour.
written by Hanover Bill, February 13, 2012 - 01:57 PM
Agree with you Bob, it's Brady all the way. He has proven it over the long haul, he is no flash in the pan. All of the QBs mentioned are terrific players but when it comes right down to it how could you not pick Brady?
Big Ben does not get consideration from me simply because of his style of play, chances are too great that Ben would finish the season watching from the sidelines, or worse yet, a hospital bed. Hopefully Todd Haley can reign him in a little, and make a more traditional QB out of him, it is imperative at his age.
The others are all great QBs but none of them measures up to Brady right now.
By the way, did everyone see Belichick in his hoodie at Pebble Beach, got to give it to the guy, he is consistent if nothing else, he brought a whole new level of fashion sense to the PGA Tour.
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written by roger roger, February 13, 2012 - 01:57 PM
Neither do you.
written by roger roger, February 13, 2012 - 01:57 PM
written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 02:06 PM
Roethlisberger does not belong in this discussion.
Neither do you.
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written by CliveJameson, February 13, 2012 - 01:57 PM
Eli Manning. He's like Ben but with two clutch Super Bowl performances to Ben's one.
written by CliveJameson, February 13, 2012 - 01:57 PM
Eli Manning. He's like Ben but with two clutch Super Bowl performances to Ben's one.
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written by roger roger, February 13, 2012 - 01:59 PM
We would do that to you, but we dont want to waste time looking for something you dont have!
Bob said there is no right or wrong answer.
Reading Is Fundamental, Dog.
written by roger roger, February 13, 2012 - 01:59 PM
written by buccs1960, February 13, 2012 - 02:36 PM
Rodgers today is by and far the best QB period. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go get their head examined.
We would do that to you, but we dont want to waste time looking for something you dont have!
Bob said there is no right or wrong answer.
Reading Is Fundamental, Dog.
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written by daveyt25, February 13, 2012 - 02:01 PM
written by daveyt25, February 13, 2012 - 02:01 PM
Peyton Manning prior to neck surgery would be my choice...He is the smartest QB in the league today, and should have received some MVP votes this season after missing it..(His team won 2 games)
But without him proving he is back in shape and healthy, the selection has to be Brady for all the reasons Bob mentioned. He is a whiner on the field, but a proven winner and shows a great deal of passion for the game. He is, IMO the best QB in the game going into next season..
But without him proving he is back in shape and healthy, the selection has to be Brady for all the reasons Bob mentioned. He is a whiner on the field, but a proven winner and shows a great deal of passion for the game. He is, IMO the best QB in the game going into next season..
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written by Miami, February 13, 2012 - 02:04 PM
written by Miami, February 13, 2012 - 02:04 PM
I think it is going a little too far to say that Tom Brady got the Patriots to the Super Bowl. The Patriots only regular season victory over a playoff team was over the Broncos. Basically the Pats had an easy regular season schedule and got the number one seed. Then they beat the Broncos again.
Finally, Brady stunk against the Ravens and if it wasn't for the Ravens giving away the AFC championship game, there would have been no Super Bowl for the Patriots.
Brady will be a Hall of Fame quarterback but I think it is difficult to argue that he is the reason that the Patriots were in the Super Bowl this year.
Finally, Brady stunk against the Ravens and if it wasn't for the Ravens giving away the AFC championship game, there would have been no Super Bowl for the Patriots.
Brady will be a Hall of Fame quarterback but I think it is difficult to argue that he is the reason that the Patriots were in the Super Bowl this year.
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written by cramden, February 13, 2012 - 02:11 PM
written by cramden, February 13, 2012 - 02:11 PM
Dandy Don Meredith OR Tim Tebow. ANYBODY but the drama queen we have now.
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written by Burghman28, February 13, 2012 - 02:18 PM
written by Burghman28, February 13, 2012 - 02:18 PM
I'm not sure how you make this decision without knowing the circumstances surrounding the QB in question. For instance who are the WR's? Who is the TE? Do they have a running game? How good is the OL? Whats the weather like? Cold and snow like Green Bay?
Brady, Rodgers and Brees have proven they can win without much of a running game but a solid OL and good WR's.
Despite what Eli and Ben have done in winning 2 superbowls I'm not sure they deserve to be in the conversation.
Out of the group of 3 I would have to select Drew Brees. The thing I think Brees has over Brady is that Brees seems to be a little more accurate from long range.
If this is truly a what if game I'd take John Elway or Joe Montana.
Brady, Rodgers and Brees have proven they can win without much of a running game but a solid OL and good WR's.
Despite what Eli and Ben have done in winning 2 superbowls I'm not sure they deserve to be in the conversation.
Out of the group of 3 I would have to select Drew Brees. The thing I think Brees has over Brady is that Brees seems to be a little more accurate from long range.
If this is truly a what if game I'd take John Elway or Joe Montana.
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written by George H, February 13, 2012 - 02:21 PM
written by George H, February 13, 2012 - 02:21 PM
I would go with Joe Montana, no glitz but pure results just a winner
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written by jayh63, February 13, 2012 - 02:24 PM
written by jayh63, February 13, 2012 - 02:24 PM
Give me a QB that can win on the road in the playoffs and win Super Bowls. Therefore, it would be between Eli, Rodgers and Ben. Eli has done it twice, Rodgers was a road warrior last year, Ben is 3-1 in road playoff games and 2-1 in Super Bowls. Plus in Ben's only road playoff loss he rallied his team from 14 down and got the game into OT.
Brady was the golden boy but not in recent years. He lost home playoff games in both 2009 and 2010. He got his team to the SB this year but he played sub-par against Baltimore at home. By comparison, Ben has won his last 4 home playoff games.
Brees can't win a playoff game on the road. The Saints lost as favorites in the playoffs the last two years. Brees puts up big numbers but he's also a turnover machine at times as he's a little too confident in his abilities.
Again, I'll take Rodgers, Eli or Big Ben. If I have to choose one, I'll go with Rodgers. He's earned my respect by playing a near perfect Super Bowl against the Steelers.
Brady was the golden boy but not in recent years. He lost home playoff games in both 2009 and 2010. He got his team to the SB this year but he played sub-par against Baltimore at home. By comparison, Ben has won his last 4 home playoff games.
Brees can't win a playoff game on the road. The Saints lost as favorites in the playoffs the last two years. Brees puts up big numbers but he's also a turnover machine at times as he's a little too confident in his abilities.
Again, I'll take Rodgers, Eli or Big Ben. If I have to choose one, I'll go with Rodgers. He's earned my respect by playing a near perfect Super Bowl against the Steelers.
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written by wolfeman44, February 13, 2012 - 02:29 PM
Today, I'll take Aaron Rodgers.
All time, I'll take Dan Marino over any of these chumps like Brady or Big Ben. Quickest release of all time, rocket arm.
Put him on SF in the 80's-90's and he has 6 or 7 Super Bowl rings.
written by wolfeman44, February 13, 2012 - 02:29 PM
Today, I'll take Aaron Rodgers.
All time, I'll take Dan Marino over any of these chumps like Brady or Big Ben. Quickest release of all time, rocket arm.
Put him on SF in the 80's-90's and he has 6 or 7 Super Bowl rings.
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written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 02:30 PM
You just said you'd take Ben second "because he wins", as if Rodgers, Manning and Brady don't. It's ridiculous homer reasoning.
You and I agree on Brees though. He can make any throw on the field any time you ask him to.
written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 02:30 PM
written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 02:06 PM
Roethlisberger does not belong in this discussion.
Neither do you.
You just said you'd take Ben second "because he wins", as if Rodgers, Manning and Brady don't. It's ridiculous homer reasoning.
You and I agree on Brees though. He can make any throw on the field any time you ask him to.
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written by LongJohnSilver, February 13, 2012 - 02:32 PM
written by LongJohnSilver, February 13, 2012 - 02:32 PM
I will stick with Ben, given you haven't really said what the rest of the team has 
I think he gets more out of a team then they really have.
I think he gets more out of a team then they really have.
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written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 02:39 PM
The Pats beat 7 teams that finished 8-8. If the Patriots lose all those games, or those teams each win one more game, then they suddenly played like 10 teams with winning records.
The schedule strength argument is bunk. All the good AFC teams had cake schedules.
written by Dan1283, February 13, 2012 - 02:39 PM
I think it is going a little too far to say that Tom Brady got the Patriots to the Super Bowl. The Patriots only regular season victory over a playoff team was over the Broncos. Basically the Pats had an easy regular season schedule and got the number one seed. Then they beat the Broncos again.
The Pats beat 7 teams that finished 8-8. If the Patriots lose all those games, or those teams each win one more game, then they suddenly played like 10 teams with winning records.
The schedule strength argument is bunk. All the good AFC teams had cake schedules.
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written by Jopa-n, February 13, 2012 - 02:42 PM
written by Jopa-n, February 13, 2012 - 02:42 PM
Wow! Tough question. My answer would be predicated on my offensive line. If I have a strong pass blocking unit that can hold a tight pocket, it would be Brady. If I have a strong Offensive line but has some weakness at points, I probably go Rogers. If I have an average to below average OL (like the Steelers) I don't just want, I NEED Ben.
Brady wouold get creamed. Stay on the spot? What spot. The spot where it was last play or the play before that?
When Brady gets pressured (not often) he always shows he needs a nice pocket consistantly throughout the game.
If I don't know who my line is and am looking to win a SB, I'll stay with the guy that has been there more than any other over the last 7 years- Big Ben.
Brady wouold get creamed. Stay on the spot? What spot. The spot where it was last play or the play before that?
When Brady gets pressured (not often) he always shows he needs a nice pocket consistantly throughout the game.
If I don't know who my line is and am looking to win a SB, I'll stay with the guy that has been there more than any other over the last 7 years- Big Ben.
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written by oneppurp, February 13, 2012 - 02:46 PM
written by oneppurp, February 13, 2012 - 02:46 PM
I want Number 7. I love the way he plays. It may not always be pretty but he's a throwback and I love it.
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written by andyprough, February 13, 2012 - 02:50 PM
You picked the wrong guy, Bob. Brady doesn't play well in cold weather, but he's on a bad weather team. That's why he is only 7-6 in the playoffs since his last Super Bowl win in 2004, with 17 interceptions.
He's great when the weather is decent, but only mediocre in the cold, heavy rain or snow, and high wind conditions of a lot of playoff games.
written by andyprough, February 13, 2012 - 02:50 PM
Here’s why I want Brady. He’s cool, he’s tough and he can win in different circumstances.
You picked the wrong guy, Bob. Brady doesn't play well in cold weather, but he's on a bad weather team. That's why he is only 7-6 in the playoffs since his last Super Bowl win in 2004, with 17 interceptions.
He's great when the weather is decent, but only mediocre in the cold, heavy rain or snow, and high wind conditions of a lot of playoff games.
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written by danch70, February 13, 2012 - 02:58 PM
written by danch70, February 13, 2012 - 02:58 PM
I'll happily take #7 in the real world - but not in the what-if world.
Brees is a leader with a great arm, but he's too short.
E. Manning is not a very good QB, although he played well in the playoffs and SB this year.
P. Manning is hurt.
It comes down to Rodgers and Brady. I'm not in love with Rodgers attitude, too cocky in an aloof way. But his arm and legs are serious weapons.
I like Brady's competitive attitude on the field. His arm and vision are deadly accurate.
I'll give Rodgers credit for having better tools than Brady, but I do believe in intangibles. Brady has proven he has those qualities for a longer time than Rodgers. So, Brady it is.
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
Brees is a leader with a great arm, but he's too short.
E. Manning is not a very good QB, although he played well in the playoffs and SB this year.
P. Manning is hurt.
It comes down to Rodgers and Brady. I'm not in love with Rodgers attitude, too cocky in an aloof way. But his arm and legs are serious weapons.
I like Brady's competitive attitude on the field. His arm and vision are deadly accurate.
I'll give Rodgers credit for having better tools than Brady, but I do believe in intangibles. Brady has proven he has those qualities for a longer time than Rodgers. So, Brady it is.
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
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written by jilted32, February 13, 2012 - 03:08 PM
I would coax Dan Marino out of retirement. He looks really fit on that sports show, I'm sure he's got another year left in him, and he's due win a Super Bowl
written by jilted32, February 13, 2012 - 03:08 PM
I would coax Dan Marino out of retirement. He looks really fit on that sports show, I'm sure he's got another year left in him, and he's due win a Super Bowl
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written by price.pittsburgh, February 13, 2012 - 03:09 PM
written by price.pittsburgh, February 13, 2012 - 03:09 PM
So Bob, Are you are saying that Brees and Rodgers wouldn't have been able to take a TE offense to the SB if Brees or Rodgers TEs were Hernandez and Gronkowski with Welker and Branch at WR?
Brady did by running the table in the reg season after losing to the 2 best teams he played, Giants and Steelers. Then the only good team he beat in the post season, Baltimore, was a game that was given to him on the final two plays, the dropped TD and missed FG.
Since the AFC Championship game of 2007 Brady is 2-4 in the post season and 1-5 against quality opponents.
Call me a homer if you wish but I sincerely beleive a 100 % Big Ben Roethlisberger is the best option to put a great team around.
His size, toughness, escape ability and leadership when healthy makes him IMO best "Quarterback" in the NFL if not the best indvidual "Passer"
I would love to see a healthy seasoned Ben play behind the O line of the other "Elite" QBs.
If Ben had time to allow the routes to actually develop it could produce amazing results.
Due to a poor pass protecting line and in an attempt to keep Brady off the field Ben ran a quick pass offense as smoothly as any other QB in the NFL who does the same thing.
Sadly our O coordinator decided that it was only worthy of a single game appearance.
Brady did by running the table in the reg season after losing to the 2 best teams he played, Giants and Steelers. Then the only good team he beat in the post season, Baltimore, was a game that was given to him on the final two plays, the dropped TD and missed FG.
Since the AFC Championship game of 2007 Brady is 2-4 in the post season and 1-5 against quality opponents.
Call me a homer if you wish but I sincerely beleive a 100 % Big Ben Roethlisberger is the best option to put a great team around.
His size, toughness, escape ability and leadership when healthy makes him IMO best "Quarterback" in the NFL if not the best indvidual "Passer"
I would love to see a healthy seasoned Ben play behind the O line of the other "Elite" QBs.
If Ben had time to allow the routes to actually develop it could produce amazing results.
Due to a poor pass protecting line and in an attempt to keep Brady off the field Ben ran a quick pass offense as smoothly as any other QB in the NFL who does the same thing.
Sadly our O coordinator decided that it was only worthy of a single game appearance.
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written by jilted32, February 13, 2012 - 03:10 PM
Hey wolfeman--you already posted Marino, and I didn't notice. But yes--I agree--he would have won 4 super Bowls if he had a decent team.
written by jilted32, February 13, 2012 - 03:10 PM
Hey wolfeman--you already posted Marino, and I didn't notice. But yes--I agree--he would have won 4 super Bowls if he had a decent team.
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written by Californication, February 13, 2012 - 03:13 PM
written by Californication, February 13, 2012 - 03:13 PM
Brady v Rodgers
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Brady will be 35 by the start of 2012 season, Rodgers 29 and Rodgers is quicker, faster, has a stonger arm and has never had a serious injury in his career and won a SB v the Steelers without his TE or best WR last year.
Brady is married to Gisele and she MIGHT come around the office once in a while to pick up his paycheck.
Brady it is.
rjvha
donbq
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Brady will be 35 by the start of 2012 season, Rodgers 29 and Rodgers is quicker, faster, has a stonger arm and has never had a serious injury in his career and won a SB v the Steelers without his TE or best WR last year.
Brady is married to Gisele and she MIGHT come around the office once in a while to pick up his paycheck.
Brady it is.
rjvha
donbq
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written by Uncle Bill, February 13, 2012 - 03:19 PM
I'll take Rodgers, but Brees could be my backup. Very good now, with all the tools and intangibles, and should get even better.
That said, in the real world, I'm happy with what we have.
written by Uncle Bill, February 13, 2012 - 03:19 PM
I'll take Rodgers, but Brees could be my backup. Very good now, with all the tools and intangibles, and should get even better.
That said, in the real world, I'm happy with what we have.
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written by Uncle Bill, February 13, 2012 - 03:24 PM
Wow Danch, sorry. My Rodgers description matches yours...didn't read anything, just typed my comment.
written by Uncle Bill, February 13, 2012 - 03:24 PM
Wow Danch, sorry. My Rodgers description matches yours...didn't read anything, just typed my comment.
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written by Meathead, February 13, 2012 - 03:37 PM
The truth is, he had a decent team.
written by Meathead, February 13, 2012 - 03:37 PM
Hey wolfeman--you already posted Marino, and I didn't notice. But yes--I agree--he would have won 4 super Bowls if he had a decent team.
The truth is, he had a decent team.
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written by PittofDreams, February 13, 2012 - 03:43 PM
I'll take Rodgers on 1st down... Brees on 2nd... and Brady on 3rd.
If there's a 4th down and less than a yard... then Ben gets his turn.
written by PittofDreams, February 13, 2012 - 03:43 PM
I'll take Rodgers on 1st down... Brees on 2nd... and Brady on 3rd.
If there's a 4th down and less than a yard... then Ben gets his turn.
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written by cfd, February 13, 2012 - 03:54 PM
written by cfd, February 13, 2012 - 03:54 PM
Bob:
With all due respect,Brady is not tough....in fact ,he is 180 degrees from that category. Once he was tough before his knee injury, now he complains when anyone comes close to him......he is not in the same league with Philip Rivers, Mike Vick,Big Ben or Tony Romo......does Brady have a better career resume' than the aforementioned ...yes.....but to start a team today? He needs to tell his wife to shut up and while he is at it stop wearing her garments, touhness does not reside within #12 any longer!!
Clearly, Bob, I feel Brady would disappoint you and your fantasy squad.....pick a tougher QB.....where is Bobby Layne when you need him?
Corri
With all due respect,Brady is not tough....in fact ,he is 180 degrees from that category. Once he was tough before his knee injury, now he complains when anyone comes close to him......he is not in the same league with Philip Rivers, Mike Vick,Big Ben or Tony Romo......does Brady have a better career resume' than the aforementioned ...yes.....but to start a team today? He needs to tell his wife to shut up and while he is at it stop wearing her garments, touhness does not reside within #12 any longer!!
Clearly, Bob, I feel Brady would disappoint you and your fantasy squad.....pick a tougher QB.....where is Bobby Layne when you need him?
Corri
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written by chatchaat, February 13, 2012 - 04:09 PM
written by chatchaat, February 13, 2012 - 04:09 PM
This topic is a waste of space. Sports fans are too willing to debate the same things over and over again, then only to twist history around to bolster their point of view. Such as, Tom Brady has been to five super bowls in the last what, eleven or twelve years. So he's lost two of them. He gives his team an almost fifty percent chance of making to the championship game every year. Clearly he is the pick. Yet Pittsburghers will say take Ben because he has been to the most in the last six years, ignoring Brady's time of service pre 2006, which can't be done. Wait until BR and Eli have played as long as Brady has before comparing them.
Something Mark Madden said when the Yankees traded for A-Rod is true of all "who would you rather have comparisons." He said the Yankees won't win more games with A-Rod, they will win the same number of games but score more runs while doing so. Wins matter. Stats don't. Stats are for fans looking for entertainment and don't care what's really going on on the field.
Something Mark Madden said when the Yankees traded for A-Rod is true of all "who would you rather have comparisons." He said the Yankees won't win more games with A-Rod, they will win the same number of games but score more runs while doing so. Wins matter. Stats don't. Stats are for fans looking for entertainment and don't care what's really going on on the field.
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written by AHab35, February 13, 2012 - 04:12 PM
written by AHab35, February 13, 2012 - 04:12 PM
I'm a Steeler fan and as such I can't stand Tom Brady. I loved watching him lose the SB and I would not care if he never won another game.
And I think the criticism of him on this board is absolutely insane.
The man is a 1st ballot HOF QB. He just passed for over 5,000 yards and lead his team to its 5th SB in his career without an elite RB or an elite WR. New England wins its division nearly every season.
For the record, the current Patriots are eerily similar to the Marino Dolphins after about 1988. No defense, no running game, not elite WRs (after Duper and Clayton started to age). Brady took that team to the Super Bowl. Marino never got closer after 1985 than getting his rear end kicked by Buffalo in the AFC title game.
I say that as a huge Marino fan and a huge Brady hater. The man is an all time great QB.
Bash him for losing the Super Bowl? He's won 3 and played in 5. There were 45 QBs who started at least 2 games this year that have never won a SB including Vick, Rivers, Romo, Flacco, Ryan, Schaub, and others...
Hate Brady all you want. I support it. You still have to respect his career.
And I think the criticism of him on this board is absolutely insane.
The man is a 1st ballot HOF QB. He just passed for over 5,000 yards and lead his team to its 5th SB in his career without an elite RB or an elite WR. New England wins its division nearly every season.
For the record, the current Patriots are eerily similar to the Marino Dolphins after about 1988. No defense, no running game, not elite WRs (after Duper and Clayton started to age). Brady took that team to the Super Bowl. Marino never got closer after 1985 than getting his rear end kicked by Buffalo in the AFC title game.
I say that as a huge Marino fan and a huge Brady hater. The man is an all time great QB.
Bash him for losing the Super Bowl? He's won 3 and played in 5. There were 45 QBs who started at least 2 games this year that have never won a SB including Vick, Rivers, Romo, Flacco, Ryan, Schaub, and others...
Hate Brady all you want. I support it. You still have to respect his career.
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written by BlitzBurghDude, February 13, 2012 - 04:36 PM
...no need to "TAKE" him Bob, you can "HAVE" Cindy Brady.
Go ahead & prove me wrong with useless stats inflated by feasting on a weak divison his entire career while routinely running scores up at will against inferior talent...
Now allow me to prove mine;
Kindly cite the rider in full content, of games in which he has won when he has faced evfen nample amounts of pressure...conversely, I can cite a number of games of vital import, in which he had wilted to the level of mediocre at best:
- Super Bowl XLII vs. NYG
- '09 AFC Playoffs vs. BAL
- '10 AFC Playoffs vs. NYJ
- '11 AFC Playoffs vs. BAL
- Super Bowl XLVI vs. NYG
Case closed!
written by BlitzBurghDude, February 13, 2012 - 04:36 PM
No, my guy is Tom Brady. Three Super Bowl championship, five times in the game.
...no need to "TAKE" him Bob, you can "HAVE" Cindy Brady.
Go ahead & prove me wrong with useless stats inflated by feasting on a weak divison his entire career while routinely running scores up at will against inferior talent...
Now allow me to prove mine;
Kindly cite the rider in full content, of games in which he has won when he has faced evfen nample amounts of pressure...conversely, I can cite a number of games of vital import, in which he had wilted to the level of mediocre at best:
- Super Bowl XLII vs. NYG
- '09 AFC Playoffs vs. BAL
- '10 AFC Playoffs vs. NYJ
- '11 AFC Playoffs vs. BAL
- Super Bowl XLVI vs. NYG
Case closed!
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written by wolfeman44, February 13, 2012 - 04:53 PM
Not once did he have a quality RB.
Never had a dominating Defense either.
That doesn't sound like parameters for a "decent team"
Marino on the 49ers, 6 or 7 Super Bowls
Montana on the Dolphins, 12 yr decent career.
written by wolfeman44, February 13, 2012 - 04:53 PM
written by Meathead, February 13, 2012 - 04:37 PM[Marino's Dolphins]
The truth is,
he had a decent team.
Not once did he have a quality RB.
Never had a dominating Defense either.
That doesn't sound like parameters for a "decent team"
Marino on the 49ers, 6 or 7 Super Bowls
Montana on the Dolphins, 12 yr decent career.
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written by andyprough, February 13, 2012 - 05:25 PM
written by andyprough, February 13, 2012 - 05:25 PM
@AHab35
His career is deserving of respect, but the fact is that he's 7-6 in playoff games from 2005 forward, with 17 picks in 13 games.
Numerous other qb's have better postseason performances over that time, not the least of which is Big Ben, with a 7-3 record. For example, Eli Manning since 2007 is 8-1 with only 4 INT's; Brees during that time is 5-3 in the postseason with only 3 INT's.
Hate Brady all you want. I support it. You still have to respect his career.
His career is deserving of respect, but the fact is that he's 7-6 in playoff games from 2005 forward, with 17 picks in 13 games.
Numerous other qb's have better postseason performances over that time, not the least of which is Big Ben, with a 7-3 record. For example, Eli Manning since 2007 is 8-1 with only 4 INT's; Brees during that time is 5-3 in the postseason with only 3 INT's.
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written by Meathead, February 13, 2012 - 05:26 PM
written by Meathead, February 13, 2012 - 05:26 PM
So if Dan Marino played for the best team in the NFL he would have won some Super Bowls? Wow! Six or seven? Possibly but I doubt it.. I do think Joe Montana would have found a way to win at least one Super Bowl with the Dolphins.
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written by aglebagel, February 13, 2012 - 05:34 PM
written by aglebagel, February 13, 2012 - 05:34 PM
bucs1960 said:
I actually picked Rodgers as my guy but it still made me chuckle to read this, given that in the last game Rodgers missed, his backup threw for 480 yards and six touchdowns!
A few years back the Pats lost Brady for the year. Did the team fold up? No they went 11-5 or 10-6... It would seem that Brady isn't necessary to the Pats success. He is more a product of their success than the reason...
Rodgers today is by and far the best QB period.
I actually picked Rodgers as my guy but it still made me chuckle to read this, given that in the last game Rodgers missed, his backup threw for 480 yards and six touchdowns!
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written by Max, February 13, 2012 - 06:00 PM
written by Max, February 13, 2012 - 06:00 PM
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If you're playing against the Steelers defense, you should take Flacco.
If it's overtime and you're playing against the Steelers defense, you should take Tebow.
But if it's for a season, take Brees.
Max can't wait until the What if piece on who's you head coach.
If the question was "Which QB would you take down by 4 with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl"
If you're playing against the Steelers defense, you should take Flacco.
If it's overtime and you're playing against the Steelers defense, you should take Tebow.
But if it's for a season, take Brees.
Max can't wait until the What if piece on who's you head coach.
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written by Max, February 13, 2012 - 06:01 PM
written by Max, February 13, 2012 - 06:01 PM
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Yes, you're probably right.
If Marino had just drafted better players, and put together a better team around himself . . . .
Oh, wait, IT ALL STARTS AT THE TOP!
Marino on the 49ers, 6 or 7 Super Bowls
Montana on the Dolphins, 12 yr decent career.
Yes, you're probably right.
If Marino had just drafted better players, and put together a better team around himself . . . .
Oh, wait, IT ALL STARTS AT THE TOP!
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written by Bob in Vegas, February 13, 2012 - 06:36 PM
written by Bob in Vegas, February 13, 2012 - 06:36 PM
I guess Im a nut, but Rodgers isnt even in my top 5. I will take:
1) Brady
2) A healthy Peyton Manning
3) Brees
4) Eli Manning
5) Roethlisberger
To me Brady does more with less than anybody. Except for a brief period with Randy Moss he has put up all those numbers without a legitimate deep threat.
Rodgers I see as more of a guy running a great system. A great QB to be sure, but for 1 year Id rather have the others on my list. Im not so sure that in a year or 2 people wont look at Matthew Stafford as Rodgers equal.
1) Brady
2) A healthy Peyton Manning
3) Brees
4) Eli Manning
5) Roethlisberger
To me Brady does more with less than anybody. Except for a brief period with Randy Moss he has put up all those numbers without a legitimate deep threat.
Rodgers I see as more of a guy running a great system. A great QB to be sure, but for 1 year Id rather have the others on my list. Im not so sure that in a year or 2 people wont look at Matthew Stafford as Rodgers equal.
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written by Dobreshunka, February 13, 2012 - 06:56 PM
written by Dobreshunka, February 13, 2012 - 06:56 PM
When Roethlisberger is healthy he is amazing. You can never count him out. He's done things, made plays happen that no one else in the league could dream of. I wouldn't even think of picking another QB.
BlitzburghDude is absolutely correct in his analysis of Brady. He was terrible in the SB this year from the get go - the stupid safety and resulting free kick put his team in a nine point hole right off the bat. He was lousy against Baltimore...he admitted it to the team owner. And the other playoff game doesn't count because it wasn't against a real football team - Denver. He's not the same QB he was five years ago. I'd take Matt Schaub over Brady any day of the week.
BlitzburghDude is absolutely correct in his analysis of Brady. He was terrible in the SB this year from the get go - the stupid safety and resulting free kick put his team in a nine point hole right off the bat. He was lousy against Baltimore...he admitted it to the team owner. And the other playoff game doesn't count because it wasn't against a real football team - Denver. He's not the same QB he was five years ago. I'd take Matt Schaub over Brady any day of the week.
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written by DB21, February 13, 2012 - 07:58 PM
written by DB21, February 13, 2012 - 07:58 PM
1. Brady
2. Brees
3. Rodgers
No Ben on my list...not until he learns to read a defense.
2. Brees
3. Rodgers
No Ben on my list...not until he learns to read a defense.
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written by STATONJM, February 13, 2012 - 10:12 PM
written by STATONJM, February 13, 2012 - 10:12 PM
BOB, I agree with your choice of Tom Brady 100%. In fact, I made the same argument in a post last week.
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written by Maine Bucs Fan, February 13, 2012 - 10:22 PM
written by Maine Bucs Fan, February 13, 2012 - 10:22 PM
Brady without Belichik or a belichik system would be be pretty average. His value and talent stem from implementing Bill's plan almost perfectly.
Bill B's rep comes from having a QB as receptive to his instruction as Brady
Bill B's rep comes from having a QB as receptive to his instruction as Brady
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written by Al Bundy, February 14, 2012 - 01:51 AM
written by Al Bundy, February 14, 2012 - 01:51 AM
How good is my offensive line?
If it's good, then I'll take Rogers or Brees. Pick anyone of those two, I don't care.
If my O-line isn't good, then it's Roethlisberger....after I've made him lose 20 lbs.
If it's good, then I'll take Rogers or Brees. Pick anyone of those two, I don't care.
If my O-line isn't good, then it's Roethlisberger....after I've made him lose 20 lbs.
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written by Maine Bucs Fan, February 14, 2012 - 09:46 AM
written by Maine Bucs Fan, February 14, 2012 - 09:46 AM
Sorry- mant to add above. How did Matt Cassel (11-5 under Belichik) work out under Todd Haley? Not a knock on any of three but facts and facts and having the right combo of players and coaches is far more important than having the best player
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